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I don’t understand why Apple gets so much shit.
Sorry I want a well-managed UNIX system with a nice GUI while not coding? I don’t want to deal with configuration hell, malware and viruses or all the other trash Windows brings with it.
I’m a programmer and I adore being able to use most UNIX and Linux software. As a regular user (not programming) I don’t need to babysit my OS and I get all the magic with interoperability between all my devices.
As for privacy I get all that on macOS with mobile profiles, VPN’s, ad blocking, etc.
Isn't the whole Macs don't get viruses thing a myth by this point?
There are a lot more sources for random untrustworthy Windows software than there are for MacOS but that's on the user the same way keeping your OS up to date is.
Nothing is secure anymore, and it makes sense. The reason there are less apple hacks (anything I'm the ecosystem is susceptible) is by keeping things proprietary and their relative obscurity. There have been hacks on Mac's, iPhones, but also Linux, android, and of course windows.
I agree but I feel like the obscurity aspect faded out with the I'm a Mac and I'm a PC ads
By relative obscurity, I mean purely market share. By percentages, it's obscure, by raw numbers it's still popular with millions of users.
Yeah I mean I'm not talking about ReactOS. It's hard to measure the amount of malware per market share.
I imagine it's weighted unevenly dependent on it's user base and target demographic.
Windows is shit, but the days where you have to do configuration if you don't use some obscure notebook in one of the most used linux distros is over. I'd say gnome e.g. is pretty close to macos UI wise. There is also Hackintosh if you can't live without it.
As for why I particularly hate apple:
There are surely more / other points to make.
Arch Linux Desktop for coding and gaming, MacBook for mobile productivity. Best of both worlds.
I know with 100% certainty that if my MacBook did a thing last week, it will do it tomorrow. No lost files due to updates, no weird crashes, no ads, no candy crush. If I’m out somewhere, that reliability is worth the premium. And, at least on Mac computers, you can unlock the walled garden if you really need to.
There is no use case for windows in my workflow. Might not be true for everyone though.
I had the exact same setup before switching to fedora
To be fair, using Arch is kind of a different thing entirely. If you want to compare something to OSX UX/reliability, Mint or the like would be a more fair comparison. They're way more stable than rolling release, and even rr doesn't have that many issues.
It's mainly the terrible anti-consumer decisions of Apple that everyone dunks on, such as lack of repairability, lack of consumer choice, charging a fortune to change a single $1 chip, and being unable to run programs downloaded from anywhere but the app store.
I agree with everything else you said but this is just flat out incorrect.
They don't contribute code back to the community and make billions in profit to the detriment of furthering the human species with their concentration of wealth and minimal innovation (since Jobs died).
That’s not true. Some examples: WebKit LLVM clang Anything here: https://github.com/Developer-Ecosystem-Engineering
You mean like their recent Wine patches, which they trough over the fence instand of working with the community? WebKit was forked AFAIK for open source projects etc. Perhaps Apple conforms to the letter of the law, but they for sure don't play nice to the spirit of OpenSource. Finally: Given what they borrowed from the *BSDs, I don't see Apple being a contributor to the *BSDs in any way.
You can't upgrade ram or a hard drive. If you sell me a computer, charge $100 per 4 gigs of base speed ram, even more for storage, than have the audacity to tell me I can't upgrade it myself, you can fuck right off.
Every time I offer similar views the responses I get are somewhere along the lines of
But you can run Linux on windows! You can install most of the same tools on windows Just run everything in docker anyway
I’ve been coding most of my life. Usually people don’t understand just how sucky the tool chains are on windows when you step into certain dev work.
If I ever have to setup multiple python virtual envs again I’ll fucking just quit. Pipenv. Virtualenv. Poetry. Every fucking one on windows has been riddled with bugs
Several reasons:
On point 4, I hear way more from Apple haters than I do from Apple simps
My dude, if you find you need to "babysit" Fedora or Ubuntu, I'm kind of doubting your tech literacy - i.e the basic level of tech literacy you need to operate macOS or Windows with.
And also, just because something is UNIX doesn't make it good. Shout outs to HPUX.
Also, Apple is tracking you on macOS and iOS, similarly to Google and Microsoft. They call it telemetry, but are you SURE they don't collect identifying information and canvas you?
Oh yeah I’m a web developer that also dabbles in software development, Kubernetes, DevOps, etc. but my tech literacy is trash. 🥴🤣
Because they're such a heavily walled garden.
It's great for my parents who know nothing about technology and computers. They just need to go online and check emails and social media.
Oh yeah, total UNIX (and almost total Linux compatibility) cuts me off from so much. 🙄 Silly me I forgot that all I’m able to do is check email and social media.
I wish macOS was a well managed Unix system.
I don't care what anyone says. On a user level MacOS is by far the best ready to go experience. I love using Linux Mint and I wish I would use it full time to be free of corporate OS's. But that's not the case and Mac is well ahead in my eyes.
Just to be clear, because the following could be misunderstood when posted alone: I'm not looking for an argument, use whatever you prefer. I'm just curious.
What use cases do you have that aren't available (or take lots of configuration) on Mint?
KDE plasma
Linux with KDE.
Sorry I want a well-managed UNIX system with a nice GUI
Does OSX still have that bug where if you merge two folders of the same name it deletes everything in one of them?
I’m with you, it’s just Cool to hate on Apple or whatever.
@railsdev @idk837384 It's the price, right? People shit on it for its price. You didn't mention price once! Lol
Nah, $999 for a monitor stand is completely reasonable
Mac wheels
macOS is fine, for now, but with the direction Apple is going right now with all the spyware they're putting on iOS, I'd rather start using something else than get caught off guard when they start doing the same with macOS. I still have a MacBook, but I've long since switched to using Linux as my main system, so when the day comes and Apple decides to install spyware on macOS, I can ditch it in a heartbeat without shedding a single tear. Also, I'm not a big fan of the lack of options and customisability on macOS. I get that it's meant to help non-tech-savvy people so that they don't break their system, but at least make a toggle that's lets you turn all of that off for those who knows what they're doing.
Lastly, Linux distros like Fedora or Mint is very easy to use, and at least in my opinion, entirely negates the argument that "Linux is hard". It's only as difficult as you want it to be. The only major roadblock is support for common proprietary apps, and while I don't usually use them, I've heard that they've become far better recently. As a cherry on top, it's lighter and, best of all, has no spyware.
I am literally forced to use Apple at work. I can life with an iPhone, because I use it just for its intended, dumped down usage and I overcame the annoyance about Apples fascism (alternative web engine). If you are not able to automate 100% of your setup on a proper UNIX machine, please do the programming community a favor and switch your line of work. Apple is such a shit show: no keyboard driven workflow w/o extensive customization, how the fuck can I automate 100% of the the setup/customization, why the fuck do I have to upgrade every fucking single program interactively with a click, why are the package managers homebrew and macports as shitshow like Linux 25 years ago, why is macOS so bloated and fucking slow on a machine, why is the development experience for mac worse than Visual Studio 6 (!), Finder is such a sad joke compared to file managers on every other OS or DE, why can I not easily enable transparent file compression when I am a grown up user etc etc etc. Seriously, macOS is nice for consumers with too much money. The literally only thing macOS does which I envy is the tag system which works. Don't get me wrong, Linux is also a shit show, but compared to macOS it is like the best thing ever.
Okay 🤣
Apple is fascist and doesn’t let you customize as much as you want to now it’s a shitshow.
Honestly for someone who wants keyboard shortcuts so badly you seemed to have forgotten about the enter/return key.
Then you are far above the threshold, because Ubuntu desktop and Fedora desktop are easy and widely supported by hardware nowadays. No tinkering necessary.
One doesn't "get privacy", privacy can't be bolted on. One starts with full privacy and then begins losing it to bad decisions, like choosing an inauditable OS that phones home and everything.
You’ve forgotten an important point: the price gap between apple and windows machines has closed significantly. A similarly-performing windows machine is now a similar price, if not more expensive, than the equivalent mac.