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I'm sure a lot of us are already using Firefox with uBlock Origin, and I'm also sure that most of us already know about Arkenfox.

Despite this, one thing that I'm still noticing on the internet are people recommending extensions that, as per the Arkenfox wiki, are frankly just not needed anymore.

So people, please stop using:

  • Cookie extensions like Cookie Auto Delete
  • URL cleaning extensions like ClearURLs
  • Anti-fingerprinting extensions
  • Redundant privacy extensions like Ghostery or Privacy Badger
  • NoScript

And also please note that Firefox Multi-Account Containers is probably overkill for most threat models, and that Firefox's builtin Total Cookie Protection is probably just fine.

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[–] AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world 72 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Multi account containers are super useful for managing multiple accounts though. Keeping work/personal/hobby stuff separate is awesome.

[–] fnie@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I find the temporary containers extension essential. Set automatic mode and forget.

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

How exactly are my URLs going to be cleaned without ClearURLs?

My extensions are:

  • UBlock Origin
  • Dark Reader
  • ClearURLs
  • NoScript
  • Multi-Account Containers
  • Cookie Quick Manager (probably not required since I don't deal much with cookies other than flushing them)
  • LocalCDN
[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The option in uBlock Origin should really be baked-in and more prominent IMO, also I think I had some issues with the shortener not working on, e.g. Amazon in the past, but things might be working fine now, idk

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Funny how even when I toggle the "advanced user" option on, I still can't see any interactive menu/console to work with individual scripts. This is what prompted me to install NoScript in the first place. Am I using an old version?

[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 2 points 1 year ago

Sorry, don't know about that, I was talking about the ClearURLs replacement

[–] finickydesert@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

According to the wiki through ublock but I honestly don’t know how to do that

[–] hottari@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

NoScript and Cookies Auto Delete are very much needed. uBlock's JavaScript control is extremely basic and doesn't toggle WebGL.

As for cookies, I only set them for sites I have accounts or ones that need to remember user data in Chromium. I personally don't use CAD but I can certainly appreciate its convenience.

[–] alynnetjes@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Any references you can give? I would like to research this a bit more.

[–] dampfnudel@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes but...

  • Most people want a quick-fix.... "just install these extensions and all your web privacy issues will be handled automatically, in the background and you don't ever have to do anything at all." The "no user effort required" approach isn't realistic and arkenfox is not a quick-fix. It's a lot of tough love imo.
  • To use arkenfox and also not get frustrated that the entire internet is broken you will need to create a good user-overrides.js file. Creating a good one takes time. So take it and create a good one.
  • RFP breaks a lot of things. If you choose to disable RFP, the arkenfox wiki suggests you use the anti-fingerprinting extension, CanvasBlocker.
  • If you use arkenfox's user.js you'll probably want to create multiple profiles with different levels of arkenfox strength, which can be determined by your user-overrides.js file.

I mostly use arkenfox... but I also have a TCP + uBO only profile for when I need it.

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Sinnerman@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The link says that NoScript is "redundant with uBlock Origin"

I like NoScript because I can click on its icon on the toolbar, and easily select which scripts on a given page to whitelist, or which to whitelist temporarily (until browser quit.) And on any page, I can select which set of scripts (by domain name) on that page to run or whitelist.

With uBlock Origin, it's only "all script on the page" or "no scripts on the page", right?

[–] dampfnudel@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With uBlock Origin, it’s only “all script on the page” or “no scripts on the page”, right?

nope. You should read the uBO wiki's pages about medium mode and hard mode. You have pretty granular control if you're using uBO in "I am an advanced user" mode.

[–] Sinnerman@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Oh, thanks, I didn't realize that about advanced user mode, I'll look into it!

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago
[–] PeachMan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ublock Origin allows that as well, but it's not as easy as NoScript. So, IMO that's a perfectly valid reason to prefer NoScript.

[–] navi@lemmy.tespia.org 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've never heard of Arkenfox or user.js. what do they do?

[–] ikiru@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also wondering how much more effective Arkenfox is to tightened security settings, uBlock, Decentraleyes, Ghostery, etc. on Firefox?

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isn't Privacy Badger better than Ghostery?

[–] bobby_hill@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes, ghostery was purchased by a spammer or something like that IIRC

[–] ikiru@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ah, damn. I didn't know that. Coincidentally, I also already have Privacy Badger.

Thanks, by the way!

[–] tyrant@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Ghost constantly tries to phone home I've noticed. Maybe for good reason but it freaked me out.

[–] Mikelius@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I personally prefer NoScript not for just the privacy stuff, but for the security of knowing that an accidental click to a malicious site using some zeroday JavaScript exploit won't kick in like it would, had it not been default blocked.

My NoScript profile is also fairly populated with things I've trusted over the years, so it's really only new websites that require JavaScript that I have to worry about.

Maybe just me being over cautious, but just keeps me at ease, personally.

NoScript is fantastic.

As a web developer, I have to build tools for the SEO/ad team to turn my beautiful optimized sites to be ad-filled garbage. And frequently, that involves fetching data from third party sites that even I feel disgusted by, that can be easily blocked with NoScript.

[–] NiaTheCat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is likely a very unpopular opinion, but I'm not a fan of the "only use uBlock origin" view that seems to be going around, yes using just that makes you less fingerprintable, but you're also just giving yourself a single point of failure and giving full control of your privacy to whatever the uBlock Origin devs want to add or refuse to add, who are at the end of the day still only human and can make mistakes.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Agreed. Ideally, any such single point of failure needs to be under a distributed or accountable kind of control. Perhaps EFF could take over uBO, for example.

[–] Helix@feddit.de 18 points 1 year ago

Okay, which settings specifically replace these extensions? They usually also have a nice GUI with validation which is a better UX than editing text files and checking if it works by yourself.

[–] bobby_hill@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

To add to the other fine points here, I almost exclusively do all my personal browsing on my phone. Arkenfox isn't designed to work on Firefox mobile.

Like the other poster said, Mull is a fork of Firefox for Android that includes tweaks from the Arkenfox user.js.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My personal view is that anyone who forks a browser is probably not experienced enough to know how much work it is to patch security holes in a timely manner in such a large code base.

[–] Lemongrab@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

Good thing arkenfox is not a FF fork and you still get the same updates from Firefox main.

[–] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Is it possible to limit permissions for an extension to just a few domains? Most of them I'm using just for specific sites

[–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Love when you install a boring extension on vscode and it has a telemetry setting…

[–] netchami@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just use LibreWolf. It has everything already set up and it includes uBlock Origin by default.

[–] blarp@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I used to use Librewolf but found it lagged behind Firefox too much when it came to security updates. But I agree with you that it does take the work out of configuring Firefox, which is convenient.

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