this post was submitted on 26 Sep 2023
200 points (92.0% liked)

World News

32317 readers
895 users here now

News from around the world!

Rules:

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Hans Niemann was accused of cheating after he beat Norwegian grandmaster Magnus Carlsen last September.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 98 points 1 year ago (7 children)

This was a joke invented by r/anarchychess. I'd be amazed if it were real.

[–] megane_kun@lemm.ee 80 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I remember when I first heard the rumours and I immediately thought of how sensitive one's anal linings would be to perceive Morse code via a butt plug. Then pondered upon the max possible bandwidth of buttplug-mediated information transfer. Finally, I thought about how to send back information via rythmic anal clenching.

Only then did I conclude that it's probably easier to get better at chess.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

A YouTuber tested it and confirmed it's not that difficult to detect messages. They didn't use Morse code but rather a simplified set of signals for move notation

[–] megane_kun@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's in the ankles, right? I guess even if it's a different part of the body than the inside of one's butt (a sensitive part of the body), makes it plausible that it's also possible for communication (perhaps one-way—towards the plug wearer).

I'm assuming the accomplice would then be watching through some camera feed, right? That makes it at least plausible since there's no need for kegels (to send information the other way).

[–] LordPassionFruit@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it's the same video I saw, it was the ankle guy. And yeah, when it comes to historical cases of chess cheating (almost always at a lower skill level) they'll either use some form of chess computer that they sneak away to use, or have an accomplice and a one way method of communication.

Another thing to keep in mind is that often times players at this level don't need to cheat every move, they just need to be given the correct move at an important moment and they'll be good enough to understand why they are being told to do that.

[–] megane_kun@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah, yeah~ I actually wasn't really into chess, but I was intrigued about how it might actually work in practice. Like, perhaps a code taken from chess notation, and then optimized to keep messages to a minimum. Such messages are then composed of bursts of vibration, some longer and less intense, and some short but intense. This is where my mind went to bandwidth, lol! How fast can you alternate "dots" and "dashes" such that they would still remain distinct from one another, and not be perceived as just one long buzz session?

they’ll either use some form of chess computer that they sneak away to use, or have an accomplice and a one way method of communication.

It's the first case that I thought about when I first heard of this. Kinda like braille, but for butts. And then rather than use your fingers, you clench your butt. That way, one can operate a chess computer while seated in a tournament. At the end of it, I was like "that's some serious kegel action!"

An accomplice sending the necessary hints/information would be more plausible, I think. And now that I'm thinking about it, electrical impulses (through the skin, like in the small of the back, another sensitive area) might do the trick as well, perhaps going full braille action this time.)

But yeah, I just enjoyed overthinking about something like this. No offense meant to anyone. I'm just like "maybe it's stupid enough to work?"

[–] LordPassionFruit@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I find that the overthinking can be fun, but the most common cheating method is to simply relay the position on the board that contains the piece to move.

For example, let's say that the best move would be to move a pawn on b4 (same column as White's left most bishop, in the 4th row) a signal would be transmitted of two short "signals", a long pause, and then four more short "signals". Thinking in Morse, this would be "../....".

This tells the cheater that the correct move is made by the piece in the second column, fourth row, and thats usually all a top level player will need. They can stop calculating any move that isn't from that piece, and there's usually one move that is clearly better from that pieces immediate moves. The difficult part is now finding which follow-up moves are the best and how to punish your opponent for not playing them (which they would have been doing anyways, just with many more possible start points)

This method has been used in the past with a device that will send a non-painful but noticeable electric shock to a player (usually on their thigh), and because these individuals got caught there are now methods in place at top level tournaments to try and prevent external cheating devices from entering the playing hall (ex/ they pat you down to try and feel something rigid on your leg).

Thats where the butt plug theory comes in; it could theoretically pass through a standard metal detector, a security guard isn't going to check your prostate for cheating devices, and it can still theoretically be used to communicate via 0s and 1s.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, in terms of the other direction, the game would theoretically have an audience and livestream.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] jalda@sopuli.xyz 20 points 1 year ago

The thing is that the game was broadcast live. One-way communication was enough

[–] QuinceDaPence@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We need an expert on this. You gotta go find the guy that designed that butt plug revolver with the clench activated trigger.

[–] megane_kun@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Wait, what?! That's actually a thing now?!

Not really up to speed with butt-tech. Hahaha! There goes my search history!

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 year ago

Best joke about that I saw was a video of Hans playing someone and looking confident up until a blunder or something. Then he realizes what happened and puts his face in his hands and closes his eyes.

The comment on the YouTube video was: "when the computer gives up and then switches to pleasure mode"

[–] bilboswaggings@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I play chess and I have a... a friend who uses a vibrator

So ofc it's real, just not Hans

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah that's what I meant. It's not that it's not real, but the origin of the meme was Hans saying something to the effect of "I'll play Magnus naked to prove I'm not cheating" to which everyone responded that the anal beads technique would be how he did it. Of course the corollary of that is that there are numerous ways for him to cheat while fully clothed.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] Gomez@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wasn't there a documentary about this with Danny Devito?

[–] ftothe3@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. It was very informative. Highly recommend!

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I read the title as "dies" instead of "denies".

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 points 1 year ago

Should have gone with the WifiVibe Bullet, rather than the Hitachi XXXL AssBlaster Deluxe (with memory foam balls).

[–] Kata1yst@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For those who haven't seen it- even if you don't have a background in data science or chess, this report is extremely damning. He's an unapologetic, manipulative, pernicious cheater.

https://www.chess.com/blog/CHESScom/hans-niemann-report

[–] detalferous@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That's 72 pages. Are there any highlights for interested non chess fanatics?

[–] TQuid@beehaw.org 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The basic measure is “accuracy”: the percentage of moves that are the best move for that position. Computers are, as you would expect, inhumanly good on this measure. Better than the best human players, who will have “inaccuracies” even in their best-played games. It makes spotting cheaters pretty reliable and easy. Niemann has been busted for cheating online repeatedly, and analysis of his in-person play bears the same hallmarks.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago

BBC article summarizing some of the suspicions and evidence or lack thereof.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63140246

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] skybreaker@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not convinced by that report. Their cheating detection method is inconclusive and if Hans had the ability to perform the "best" move in every circumstance due to cheating but didn't, that to me points to it being less likely. There are a lot of statistics in that report that seem extremely circumstantial like the "plateaus" in strength rating. If he was really cheating in the tournaments, I think there would be a whole lot more evidence.

[–] Kata1yst@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

This is "a whole lot of evidence". If he had, for example, a 10% chance to show up suspicious in any one of those charts that's one thing. But to be highlighted as the most suspicious in each is extraordinary evidence. How do you explain a greater than 10% drop in skill when a 15 minute TV delay was put in place? Or his ability to make incredibly complex, perfect moves in seconds? Or his continual, nearly unstoppable strength rating growth, you know, except for the two natural plateaus in rating where most players never continue to grow firmly in the middle of his growth curve?

If that report doesn't convince you, I doubt anything will.

If he always did what the engine tells him to do then the evidence would be overwhelming, yes. Hans is surely aware of this and avoids doing so because he wants to get away with it.

[–] MyDogLovesMe@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Uhhhmmm, I don’t want to be intrusive, but how exactly does one use small beads to cheat at chess? I’m trying to figure this out, …but I keep losing anyway.

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Mike Boyd did a video on this a while back and was able to successfully beat a pro chess player using a vibrator on his ankle:

https://piped.video/watch?v=5uDM3fPeNFM

[–] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Imagine Nieman's surprise once he discovered you were only supposed to put it on your ankle

[–] Norgur@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah. The whole comment section seems like it's super obvious... but seriously... how does one cheat with anal vibrators?

[–] DakkaDok@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's important to remember that he is certainly still very good at chess, even if he cheated in some games. He wouldn't need to have every move given to him, it might even be enough to give him a single signal that there is a non-obvious great move in a current position. Even just knowing that would probably be enough for him to find it by himself.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

That's a good point. You wouldn't need to send an entire move. If you simply sent a message indicating which piece is the best to move, the player probably can find the place to move that piece.

Didn’t you see the always sunny episode?

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago
[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Morgan continued: "To be clear, on the specific allegation - have you ever used anal beads while playing chess?"

The 20-year-old replied: "Well, your curiosity is a bit concerning, you know - maybe you're personally interested, but I can tell you, no.

I don't know about you but when I appear in a very serious interview and talk about the multimillion dollar damage an unfounded allegations has done to my career, I really want to make sure that I include some weird kink shaming right there in my defense. That will surely make me seem like a serious person that sponsors can trust.

[–] seSvxR3ull7LHaEZFIjM@feddit.de 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it was rather commenting on the interviewer's inappropriate intrusiveness into an intimate topic rather than kinkshaming. Understandable that Niemann got defensive there, IMO.

[–] detalferous@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's literally the allegation.

How do you interview without asking about the allegation?

[–] seSvxR3ull7LHaEZFIjM@feddit.de 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's the meme allegation, the real allegation is just cheating without any butt stuff.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Luvs2Spuj@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Still the greatest story I've ever read. I'll tell my grandchildren about this one day, and that's when they will put me in a home.

[–] zepheriths@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Well seeing as chess.com has reinstated his account. We have no reason to not believe him

[–] BaconIsAVeg@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

"Release the butt plug cut!"

[–] Gabu@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

The fact that's a thing is hilarious.

[–] 30mag@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Morgan continued: "To be clear, on the specific allegation - have you ever used anal beads while playing chess?"

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›