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[–] vane@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

So network bandwidth became cheaper than cpu ? Clearly CPUs are stagnating.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 35 points 2 days ago

Pretty neat. Right now 1gbps downloads can often be bottlenecked by CPU, so a more efficient algorithm like zstd will probably speed up downloads.

[–] DaCrazyJamez@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So if I'm reading this correctly, they are trading slightly larger downloads for considerably faster overall install speeds.

Makes a lot of sense as most internet connections nowadays can handle the added bandwidth.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago

I hope to one day join the present day lol

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

LZMA nuts lmao gottem

[–] inzen@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I don't know much about compression algorithms. What are the benefits of doing this?

[–] Malix@sopuli.xyz 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

zstd is generally stupidly fast and quite efficient.

probably not exactly how steam does it, or even close, but as a quick & dirty comparison: compressed and decompressed a random CD.iso (~375 MB) I had laying about, using zstd and lzma, using 1MB dictitionary:

test system: Arch linux (btw, as is customary) laptop with AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 7840U cpu.

used commands & results:

Zstd:

# compress (--maxdict 1048576 - sets the used compression dictionary to 1MB) :
% time zstd --maxdict 1048576 < DISC.ISO > DISC.zstd
zstd --maxdict 1048576 < DISC.ISO > DISC.zstd  1,83s user 0,42s system 120% cpu 1,873 total

# decompress:
% time zstd -d < DISC.zstd > /dev/null
zstd -d < DISC.zstd > /dev/null  0,36s user 0,08s system 121% cpu 0,362 total
  • resulting archive was 229 MB, ~61% of original.
  • ~1.9s to compress
  • ~0.4s to decompress

So, pretty quick all around.

Lzma:

# compress (the -1e argument implies setting preset which uses 1MB dictionary size):
% time lzma -1e < DISC.ISO > DISC.lzma
lzma -1e < DISC.ISO > DISC.lzma  172,65s user 0,91s system 98% cpu 2:56,16 total

#decompress:
% time lzma -d < DISC.lzma > /dev/null
lzma -d < DISC.lzma > /dev/null  4,37s user 0,08s system 98% cpu 4,493 total
  • ~179 MB archive, ~48% of original-
  • ~3min to compress
  • ~4.5s to decompress

This one felt like forever to compress.

So, my takeaway here is that the time cost to compress is enough to waste a bit of disk space for sake of speed.

and lastly, just because I was curious, ran zstd on max compression settings too:

% time zstd --maxdict 1048576 -9 < DISC.ISO > DISC.2.zstd
zstd --maxdict 1048576 -9 < DISC.ISO > DISC.2.zstd  10,98s user 0,40s system 102% cpu 11,129 total

% time zstd -d < DISC.2.zstd > /dev/null 
zstd -d < DISC.2.zstd > /dev/null  0,47s user 0,07s system 111% cpu 0,488 total

~11s compression time, ~0.5s decompression, archive size was ~211 MB.

deemed it wasn't nescessary to spend time to compress the archive with lzma's max settings.

Now I'll be taking notes when people start correcting me & explaining why these "benchmarks" are wrong :P

edit:

goofed a bit with the max compression settings, added the same dictionary size.

edit 2: one of the reasons for the change might be syncing files between their servers. IIRC zstd can be compressed to be "rsync compatible", allowing partial file syncs instead of syncing entire file, saving in bandwidth. Not sure if lzma does the same.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Better compression -> faster downloads

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 2 days ago

Especially since lzma currently CPU bottlenecks on decompression for most computers on fast internet connections. Zstd can use the cpu much more efficiently.