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[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 4 points 26 minutes ago (2 children)

History doesnt judge people

Nobody claims that WW2 was because of voters, that the Poland invasion was because of the soldiers

The people leading the propaganda are blamed

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 19 minutes ago

And yet, so many people's German grandfathers refused to talk about what they did during the war. Despite the lack of judgment.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 3 points 19 minutes ago

Nobody claims that WW2 was because of voters

Maybe if folks had been shamed into not supporting the Nazis and their hollow, superficial, hateful "solutions" we wouldn't even have an example with such obvious and clear parallels to draw upon.

The people leading the propaganda are blamed

Nobody should be (or seems to have) fucking absolved them for handing their nation to fascists, either.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/german-civilians-forced-see-real-11908228

https://www.pritzkermilitary.org/explore/museum/permanent-current-upcoming-exhibits/allied-race-victory-air-land-and-sea-ca/germans-dig-graves

https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa1084913

https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn556026

[–] DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 26 points 1 hour ago

There's a tiny part of me that's willing to allow that the people voting for him in 2016 just wanted to make their protests heard. Even though he was very, very clear who he is and what he stands for, people were struggling and made themselves heard in the shittiest possible way.

But the people who voted him in again, knowing exactly how it's going to shake out could all drop dead at once and I wouldn't shed a tear. Fuck every one of those cunts.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 15 minutes ago

People seem to be forgetting the mod reminder, and I'm tired of deleting posts and banning people and I do not want to lock the thread, so here is a reminder of the reminder.

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 1 points 18 minutes ago

Stop, you dont need to dive bomb them, gal!

[–] whytho@lemm.ee 7 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Everyday I read the news and get more depressed.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 12 minutes ago (1 children)

that's why i only sit and read it once a week. the rest of the time I just skim headlines.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 7 minutes ago

This may not be the best thread for your mental health in that case. It hasn't been great for mine, taking care of all the rule violations.

[–] steeznson@lemmy.world 1 points 45 minutes ago (1 children)

People cast their vote for a variety of complicated reasons, often against their own interests. Someone might be stupid because they voted for a bad ticket but I don't think they are necessarily immoral.

These old norms like not judging others for their politics used to function fine before social media propagated and the culture wars flared up. I'd be hesitant to throw the old norms away, even in our current circumstances, because after they go there's no guarantee you'll ever get them back.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 23 minutes ago (1 children)

The old norms weren't necessarily good.

[–] steeznson@lemmy.world 1 points 15 minutes ago

They worked fine in the 90s/00s. Social media and smart phones has just come in and created hyper-polarization since then. Human beings aren't designed to be able to handle getting news so quickly from such a wide variety of (dubious) sources.

[–] Slam_Eye@lemmy.ca 3 points 55 minutes ago (3 children)

Naw, I'll judge people based on a person to person basis and not just use generalized lazy ass blanket judgement on anyone whom isnt in my social/political/religious group. Stop adding to the problem.

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 3 points 32 minutes ago

Sure, but Trump voters aren't a lazy generalization.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 20 minutes ago

On a person-to-person basis, I judge every person who voted for Trump because they voted for a fascist.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 24 minutes ago* (last edited 24 minutes ago)

"I want X bad thing to happen"

"Hey, this guy wants X to happen. That's bad."

"STOP GENERALIZING!!1!"

[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 1 hour ago

One problem is the GOP has been taken over and continually converted to MAGA; it started with calling people "RINOs," attacking each other for party purity.

"Democrats fall in love; Republicans fall in line."

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 15 points 2 hours ago (5 children)

Hot take:

The problem isn't the other middle class people who've been convinced to wear a different color hat.

The problem is the oligarchs who've been plotting to take over and destroy the power of the people by dismantling the government. The people who are actively doing that exact thing while the ignorant masses engage in tribalism and attacking people for voting.

Engaging on this topic is just furthering the distraction tactics. The people who're actively working to destroy the government or implementing policies targeting minority populations are not your neighbors or anybody that you will run into on social media.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 23 minutes ago

Ok but I still partially blame the people who voted the oligarchs into power

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