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[–] Tbird83ii@lemmy.dbzer0.com 142 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What's the criteria?

Speed and reliability? Snakeboi.

Ability to move around unimpeded and/or taking a dump while being on Lemmy? $350 router with spikes.

And if prison rules, I'm going router with spikes...

[–] Rootiest@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reliability 100% the snakeboi

But for speed, WiFi can actually out-perform those particular snakebois in many scenarios.

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In perfect conditions for Wi-Fi. I live in a high rise and the 2.4 Ghz band is hardly usable. My previous phone didn't have dual band Wi-Fi and it was much faster on 4G than WiFi.

Plus, modern routers and APs often rely on band aggregation and so even with devices that have dual band, crowded airwaves will have a negative effect on speed.

Wi-Fi is very fast when I'm in my cabin in the countryside. But when I get home with the same devices, it's barely usable.

You could argue that I need a better router with the newest protocol and gizmos but so far, even with new bands and protocols, Wi-Fi is still a competition of which router and devices will shout louder than their neighbors.

[–] FordPrefect@startrek.website 5 points 1 year ago

Yes, it seems painfully obvious that the primary driver of new WiFi router sales, is WiFi overcrowding.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

I would argue that the public needs to be better educated or at least saved from themselves with WiFi, however, nobody will be doing that. Having multiple lower-powered APs in a space can dramatically reduce how far outside of your premise the signal travels, and provide fast speeds indoors, however, it only takes one dummy to pick up a long-range AP, and put it in their apartment to ruin the wifi for everyone else around them.

Unless we start EM isolating apartments, or get everyone to start using modern lower-powered WiFi with multiple access points for coverage, things won't change. I largely consider it to be impossible to fix WiFi in large buildings; especially established apartment buildings. No company is going to spend on 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz isolation insulation to be installed between units just for their renters to have better WiFi, and the general public as a whole.... well, it's basically a fool's errand to convince everyone to do anything without government regulation, and bluntly, the government, made of the same idiots that make up the general public, isn't any better and won't be forcing everyone to "do it correctly".... so we get this dystopian landscape of WiFi for any high-density area.

IMO, new builds don't really have an excuse not to, it's a trivial additional cost to install while things are being built, putting AP hookups in the ceilings, and WiFi blocking measures in the walls between units, but they still don't, because cost. They want to spend nothing and collect huge rent payments for basically squatting on a plot of land.

[–] rostby@lemmy.fmhy.net 1 points 1 year ago

There are some pretty long snakebois in prison, there usually in the shower areas

[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Idk... I've got some pretty long snakey bois

[–] tpihkal@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

SAME...ladies?

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[–] alienzx@feddit.nl 72 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Have that router. Snakey boy wins.

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[–] SternburgExport@feddit.de 55 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Cables are fine until that stupid clip breaks off and every nudge unplugs the fucking cable ever so slightly that it doesn't work but you can't see it.

[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

It's pretty easy to crimp a new one back on, and even easier with a 30 dollar tool.

[–] nueonetwo@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

Easy fix with a tight layer of electrical tape to act as a wedge. You can also shove a toothpick in the top for extra staying power.

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[–] teuniac_@lemm.ee 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Obligatory warning AVOID CCA CABLES! They can be a hazard!

Go for copper. More on this issue:

https://www.truecable.com/blogs/cable-academy/cca-vs-solid-copper#page_comments=1

[–] FordPrefect@startrek.website 6 points 1 year ago

I'm just waiting to hear about someone trying to charge their escooter via POE.

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[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The cheapest way to get cables is to know somebody who crimps it themselves, but for the majority of people probably buy from shitty places like walmart for a 1,000% upcharge.

[–] stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Pretty sure the biggest cost of crimping your own cables is finding a place to store the remaining spool.

Or ensuring the spool is still useful 15 years later while everything has migrated to SFP/QSFP

[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

That's me lol. I'm still sitting on my spool of Cat6 I bought a few years ago. At pre-COVID prices it was approximately (CAD) $1 per termination, and $1 per 6 feet of cable.

Today at Infinite Cables and other Canadian stores I can buy premade lengths at almost those costs, shockingly. Prices really came down.

[–] GCostanzaStepOnMe@feddit.de 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well until you have to guide that snaky boy through the whole apartment and through door frames.

[–] Sneptaur@pawb.social 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you connect both ends of that snakey boi into the router then you’ll find out who wins real quick

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

My router handles that just fine?

It’s a newer version of Spike, too.

[–] andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If your TV vendor decides to only put 100Mb cards in their TV then unfortunately spikey boy wins and you lose unless you're willing to downrez your AV catalog.

[–] Koffiato@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Venn diagram of people who understand this specific technicality and people who don't want to deal with the shitty TV software is almost a circle though.

I'd rather get a Android box at the very least.., or just HTPC.

[–] andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm in that Venn diagram but I'm married with kids and the UX of anything but the TV remote and Plex software is a bit much for me to convince the family to learn. And potentially relearn when I find the next great app like jellyfin 😅

I think there's another circle with at least significant overlap between those two of family techies who just can't convince the rest of the family to care.

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[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I set up an hdmi-Ethernet converter and run Ethernet between my TV and main desktop. It solves problems.

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[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago

They do that shit on purpose. Use a shield or an htpc. Only input your TV should be getting is HDMI.

[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is that why my shit keeps buffering any time I try to stream a movie larger than 50-60 GB, despite the fact that I have a gigabit connection and a 2.5Gb router? TIL. BRB, running some speed tests on my TV...

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

It's been 9 hours, how did it go?

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends, am i routing data or cosplaying the lich king?

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fucking millennials. Learn to multitask.

[–] Rand0mA@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Indeed, i'm genx

[–] PickTheStick@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure the love for Warcraft III evenly splits X and Y.

[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Latency is the name of the game if you're gaming. Copper will always give you the fastest ping times compared to the fastest wifi you can buy.

[–] FordPrefect@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wireless has a lower minimum latency than wired, that's why trading houses set up relay towers from Chicago to NYC, in order to achieve the lowest possible latency for their trades between the two markets.

Wired gives better stability, due to almost zero interference noise. The primary cause of sucky WiFi speeds/stability, is having too many other people's routers nearby.

[–] randombullet@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

No shit?

I mean copper runs at 2/3 the speed of light.

Wireless is pretty much the speed of light.

I thought they used dedicated fiber for their links.

[–] Wilshire@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But can snakey boi summon daedra?

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends on the challenge. Snakey boiy loses if the challenge is to move around the house and go into the backyard.

[–] Michal@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Nay, with long enough cable you'll get consistently good performance. With wifi it's a hit and miss due to interference and walls.

[–] hrimfaxi_work@midwest.social 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We ran snakey boys throughout the house using command hooks on the ceiling when my wife and I had to go WFH 3 years ago.

The temporary fix is still going strong. At this point, the place would look weird without hastily strung up CAT5 all over the place.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago

Nothing is as permanent as a temporary fix

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why is this my top post? What joke am I missing? So confused.

[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The joke is that you have to spend $350+ on a router if you want a lot of bandwidth to spare for all your devices -- and more importantly -- a strong, reliable connection (especially if you live in an area with a lot of competing WiFi traffic, like an apartment building). Or you could just buy a $3 ethernet cable and get the same thing.

Happened to me. The cheap $100 routers kept dropping the signal, so I blew $400 on a fancy gaming router with custom firmware support. Problem solved. That said, if it weren't for the fact that smartphones exist (and the fact that I have a girlfriend with a laptop), I wouldn't bother with WiFi at all. I miss the 2000s, when all you needed was a 10Mbps switch, and WiFi was something you only got if you wanted to brag to your friends that you can browse the internet in your backyard..

[–] WindowsEnjoyer@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

$400 on a fancy gaming router with custom firmware support

I think I need to bold this up. Custom firmware support, especially OpenWRYT, means that your router will live for years to come.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thing is: You can get better hardware for $250. OpenWRT support for mikrotik devices is spotty, though, not many people care as the things already run Linux (with proprietary network stack and management interface looking, well, like an enterprise-grade router, not server). That is, the issue is not that they're locked down (they're not) but lack of interest in using custom firmware, these aren't dumbed-down html interface only types of machines but office endpoints from a company producing ISP-grade hardware.

Generally speaking having wifi is usually a good idea because smartphones and guests exist but connecting PCs via wifi is nuts. First of all, I'd have to buy a wifi card and sacrifice pcie lanes...


And lastly, a fun reminder: Once upon a time there was a German black hat, and he used wifi. The police already had evidence that he lived in a particular neighbourhood, but nothing specific enough to get a search warrant. So they went war-driving in the area, correlating spikes in (encrypted) wifi traffic with messages in a chat room where nefarious things were planned, until they figured out which house the traffic was coming from, then parked a bit nearby until they had statistical significance tighter than a fingerprint. They never had to get that search warrant once they presented the court with the data it issued an arrest warrant straight away and no degree of disk encryption could save the guy from a verdict.

[–] Polar@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

What's the speed? Do you have a shitty 10mbps connection like my parents? Then WiFi, because you're easily saturating that line either way.

Do you have gigabit? Then Ethernet, but then again getting like 600mbps wirelessly is good enough.

Biggest thing is having GOOD coverage. My house has multiple access points so that my connection is great everywhere. People with a shitty ISP router shoved in the cupboard in their basement make no sense lol.

[–] whome@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 year ago
[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

This is quality

[–] RocketBoots@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm guessing snakey boy is copper clad aluminum though.

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