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So that means the progressives will break off and form a real leftist party right?
Right?
Yes they will be moving to the right. Wait. Nooooo
True, but the way I see it elections are largely a game of name recognition.
Love or hate Trump, people know his name.
Harris only had 3 months to campaign and still almost beat Trump.
Sure, major cities can handle a quick turnaround, but the rest of the country needs a full year of campaigning to accept a candidate.
Trump's win isn't the mandate he thinks it is and Harris' loss isn't as damning as people make it out to be either.
DNC sucks. They only care about lining their pockets. They need to go down. They will go down.
If you support an establishment democrat you are part of the problem
I am absolutely shocked to hear this.
Democrats would rather lose than let Progressives lead the way.
They would rather gather the money needed to be able to effectively campaign than pursue policies designed to reign in campaigns costing so much. Wouldn't it be nice if we legally defined our election season to the formerly traditional end of February to November of the year of your offices' election?
In a last-minute move, they shut the event off from the public and even deliberately shared the wrong address for where grassroots supporters are allowed to gather."
Lol, we're fucked
The Democrats are over. If we ever even get the chance to vote again, a new progressive, actually left party must rise in its place
ITT people who have no idea how the Democratic party is structured, nor how the DNC chair is elected, nor been involved in party politics, complaining about the DNC anyway.
If there ever was a time to criticize the democrats, it is 3 months AFTER an election.
If there ever was a time to not to criticize the democrats, it is 3 months BEFORE an election.
there has to be a real fear of losing something, otherwise there's no pressure to change. they will never change voluntarily. and after they win/lose an election there is zero pressure to do anything
the best time to criticize is in the immediate lead up to an election
If there was ever a time for the DNC to listen to voters, it was at any point in time.
Do not hold back on them, hold them accountable and demand better. “We will apply pressure but back off when it’s actually meaningful” is a terrible strategy.
They cannot hope to gain the support of voters unless they make it clear they are interested in their voters.
Whether they actually are good for us and are actually fighting for us or not, constant smear campaign fueled by wealthy bad actors and foreign powers is going to have impacts on the vote.
Sometimes we need to fight back against bias by evening out that scale, declaring the value in voting blue no matter who.
Even if we think Democrats might shit the bed, we need to make it clear we have to prevent Republicans from pumping gallons of shit into the bedroom.
This group of progressives, "Our Revolution" was a continuation of the Bernie Sanders election campaign, and Bernie Sanders spent today yelling at the top of his lungs as the US confirmed a health secretary who actively promoted the unnecessary death of infants and argued with him on pharmaceutical company profits.
Voter Outreach and party platform is OUR JOB. Not just the DNC.
Who's the one running the primaries, collecting donations and buying ad space?
Who are the ones voting in primaries, donating, and volunteering?
Bernie Sanders was in the 2016 and 2020 primaries and lost by an absolutely huge margin both times. The organization isn't the problem. How the people are voting is. Even if you "fix" the DNC it won't fix the problem.
They didn't even bother to run primaries for this last election even though they had to know that Biden wasn't going to run. They gambled on wasting the RNC's efforts running an anti-Biden campaign when they were going to swap Harris in and lost.
They also turned out the lights on anti-war Sanders supporters, so forgive me if I don't think the DNC plays fair. The US is going to collapse and I can't say we don't deserve it.
That's basically how incumbent presidents have worked for 248 years. That's not news. Biden obtained 14,465,519 out of 16,610,102 votes in the 2024 primary election, 87.09% and obtained 3,894 delegates while the runner up received 35.
He had every right to pass his chance on to his VP and I thank him for it, it was a valiant effort and took a lot of courage I'm sure.
So much courage to wait until the last minute. We should have primaries for every incumbent.
So you’re saying we should lie about the loser democrats?
Can you really say that you're against christofascist oligopoly when thats the words you have to say about the only opposition?
I can say I am against the DNC and that they are going to lose their leadership whether they like it or not. There’s a new generation of Dems and the Dems will die and there’ll be a new party or they will accept the policies that supermajorities of Dems and republicans support and kick their loser ass leadership who only knows how to get donors money and lose elections
There is not always a new party. In the past, new parties came from branching old parties.
One party systems exist and that is the path the USA is currently on: Repupublican Authoritarianism.
If you would back dems long enough to get supermajority they could pass voting reforms which make your ideal possible.
I suppose not, I guess if the only two choices are for or against “christofascist oligopoly” I’ll just stand back and make fun of you for making that choice
By standing back you make a choice.
You’re suggesting that by making a choice you could stand back further which is untrue
By making the correct choice you could have saved lives who depended on Medicaid, SNAP, the VA, and Meals on Wheels which all currently have all funding frozen by Trump.
There is blood on the hands of the abstainer equal or greater than the blood on the hands of Republicans.
And by don't criticize them before the election, he means the 2077 election. Give them time to figure things out, guys.
That's fair, I normally try to shut down the shitting on all the time, but that's a very fair point to be making and I accept your views as veritable and righteous.