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[–] Fleur_@lemm.ee 18 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Quotes from Moore.

With regards to protests:

"At the moment, the demonstrators seem to me to be making clearly moral moves, protesting against the ridiculous state that our banks and corporations and political leaders have brought us to.”

With regards to school shooter painting a "V"

"A horrible, pointless episode,"

With regards to corporations owning his works:

"During a drunken night it turned out that I’d sold it to the Gypsies and they had turned my baby to a life of prostitution. Occasionally they would send me glossy pictures of my child as she now was, and they would very, very kindly send me a cut of the earnings…”

Turns out if you actually listen to the man who wrote an anti-fascist, anti-capitalist work he's anti-facist and anti-capitalist. You would do well to read articles/sources and find out specifically what he has said as opposed to just forwarding clickbait titles

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

You're describing the early days, though. That's what most people see remarked on. The point is about what this all turned into. He can quite specifically be quoted as referring to how toxic things seem to have become.

[–] Fleur_@lemm.ee 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

He wrote a whole piece, though I'm not sure how to quote it considering his verbal vibes.

[–] Fleur_@lemm.ee 0 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

It's like you haven't even read the article. What you cited is a piece on the state of fandom. Here are the only somewhat relevant quotes from it. Notably they are consistent with everything I quoted in my previous comment

"I speak only of comics fandom here, but have gained the impression that this reflexive belligerence – most usually from middle-aged white male conservatives – is now a part of many fan communities. "

"Those who vote for Donald Trump or Boris Johnson seem less moved by policy or prior accomplishment than by how much they’ve enjoyed the performances on The Apprentice or Have I Got News for You."

You are being deliberately disingenuous which I can only assume is to either push an agenda or to desperately hold on to the idea that you are 'right.'

By not doing due diligence you have undoubtedly contributed to spreading misinformation. Please consider reading your sources and if you did actually read this article, I would strongly recommend undertaking a media literacy course or perhaps an english language course.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

You say that like that invalidates my takeaway from it. In the world of Alan Moore, the two topics are mixed by default, with one often used as a proxy discussion for the other. Given this context, you could easily go to those who are acting on behalf of either a fandom or a movement and say "heed this person's caution" and it wouldn't be out of place.

[–] SupahRevs@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

This piece criticizes people who vote for Trump and Boris Johnson because they identify as "fans" of these politicians vs being aware of policy and voting based on that policy. It says that fans who come together to celebrate are fine. It is the fandom of Trump that disrupts peoples lives, and he does not like how "fandom" is used in politics that impact millions of peoples lives.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It came off as a kind of blanket piece the way I absorbed it, like it could apply to Trump and Johnson but it could also apply to political movements in general as well as his fictional genres, hence the first part where he mentions his first experiences with comic book clubs.

[–] Fleur_@lemm.ee 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

He summarises his position in literally the second paragraph

"Ten years on, let me make my position clear: I believe that fandom is a wonderful and vital organ of contemporary culture, without which that culture ultimately stagnates, atrophies and dies. At the same time, I’m sure that fandom is sometimes a grotesque blight that poisons the society surrounding it with its mean-spirited obsessions and ridiculous, unearned sense of entitlement. Perhaps this statement still requires some breaking down."

This is very clearly an article specific to fandom and largely has little to do with his thoughts on political movements. Additionally, when he does make political statements he does with negative attitudes towards conservative leaders and voters. See my other comment for quotes

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

In the world of Alan Moore, fandom intertwines with political movements. Anonymous literally uses his Guy Fawkes Mask as its sole symbol. Have you never watched V for Vendetta or read up on Anonymous?

[–] FryHyde@lemmy.zip 7 points 22 hours ago

TBF Alan Moore has a negative view of the idea that anyone has ever read or enjoyed his work.

[–] Alpha71@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

TLDR; Angry British man, angry about stuff.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Yeah, I feel the same way, a lot of these movements are just tyrannical government psyops waging proxy wars in the information era.

I realize that sounds like something a nutjob conspiracist would say but just look at how often the larger groups end up spouting pro-Russia and pro-Chinese sentiments, look at how forceful they are about spreading their ideologies here in the fediverse, look at an LBRY video comment section or at middle eastern talking heads.

Everyone in this whole world pretends to be a revolutionary and almost nobody is anything more than just another tool for a machine built for war and greed.

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[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I rather don't think the movements he helped inspire would ask about his opinion though.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 160 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (54 children)

Alan Moore wrote Rorschach for a fucking reason and it wasn't because "Rorschach was right!"

Moore was clearly aware of people who are sympathetic to great causes but would undermine them and destroy society just to be able to say that they were right.

Rorschach was right in many ways, but he spent his time looking down on everyone and anything else. His hate for the world was visceral and colored his perception. He was happy to destroy the world just so he could prove to himself that the world was beyond redemption.

The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout 'SAVE US!'...and I'll look down and whisper 'No.'

-Rorschach from Moore's Watchmen

He doesn't support these movements because they're filled to the gills with fucking Rorschachs.

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[–] pauldrye@lemm.ee 85 points 2 days ago (8 children)

It would probably be faster to list the things he doesn't have a negative view about.

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