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Every single independent voter I talked voted for Orange Nero. That is how they conceal their racist neo-Nazi bullshit beliefs.
That's because in practical reality, there are no independent voters. The vastly overwhelming majority of independents actually vote consistently along party lines.
It's an interesting assertion, which caused me to ask a question here: How are we defining "independent", exactly?
Because if it's merely "not a member of a major political party", it pretty much explains everything.
I will spice up your life I'm an independent voter and didn't vote for Orange Nero :D
I'm sorry, but if you didn't vote Dem in this election, you're an idiot of the highest caliber.
Vote Trump, you're an idiot for obvious reasons.
Vote anyone else in an election like this one, you're an idiot. The 3rd party candidate with the most votes only got half of a single percent of the total votes. In other words, no 3rd party candidate had even the whisper of a chance of winning.
If you're willing to gamble on a sure-to-lose scenario in an election as serious as the 2024 election, you're an idiot.
Trump very obviously played the left with the help of Netanyahu while throwing the democrats under the bus, and the left ate it up. While the right unified, the left splintered into micro groups all hating on each other for having differing opinions within the left. I’m hearing Americans now saying “well it’s the Dems fault…” great, you sure showed them huh?
Those people did the equivalent of chopping off their own foot, but calling it a win cause they got blood on the other guy.
Yup. I hope the "Biden is committing genocide" and "Dems didn't solve every problem known to man" are happy with their new president they helped elect.
Someone can tell me why they voted for Trump and right away after that abuse of power became OK and rule of law in US significantly deteoriated? In democracy it would be possible to right away impeach Trump, or re-count the votes, or investigate it, or something like that...
Because it's "their team."
I truly wish there was more to it.
if you didn’t vote Dem in this election, you’re an idiot of the highest caliber
Support for the GOP correlates heavily with the presence of a fossil fuel industry in a given state or electoral district. It also tilts heavily by gender, with women and pocs tilting heavily Dem (black women vote ~~Republican~~ Democrat in the 90-95% range) while white men are around 2:1 Republican.
The party politics flows accordingly, delivering the red meat their base voters crave while focusing the more material policies toward their respective donor bases.
What's really fucked things of late has been Dems pandering to factions that don't actually support them (huge Dem support for AIPAC when Israel special interests were leaning hard right, huge Dem support for the domestic tech sector when Bezos/Zuck/Elon were throwing their support behind Trump, Harris parading around with Liz Cheney to the cheers of basically nobody).
If you’re willing to gamble on a sure-to-lose scenario in an election as serious as the 2024 election, you’re an idiot.
Republicans and Democrats both love a big rug pull. The difference on Lemmy is that you'll see plenty of people recognize the scam that is $TRUMP coin the moment it is announced, but you'll still see them doggedly defend Biden for stiffing college debtors while throwing billions into an Infrastructure Investment Act for a Silicon Valley crowd that hate him.
Agree with most of what you're saying except
see them doggedly defend Biden for stiffing college debtors
Biden did more for college debtors than any president, ever. Did he entirely eliminate college debt? No. No one who was critically thinking actually thought that was going to happen, because what was probably going to happen was what ended up happening. A bunch of roadblocks got thrown in his way, including the Supreme Court. But he still eliminated many millions of dollars in college debt for a lot of people.
There's no doubt that the Democratic party is not particularly great at running campaigns. But that doesn't absolve the American populace from their duty to be reasonably informed. The Democratic party can run a dogshit campaign and people who are reasonably informed can still look at the hard data and see which party is a better bet for the economy and average Americans.
And to be clear, in a sane world, they did run a better campaign than the Republicans who ran on hate, fear, and absolute ridiculousness. IMMIGRANTS ARE EATING PEOPLE'S PETS IN SPRINGFIELD, OHIO.
That shit worked because Americans are pretty goddamn stupid. That's not the Democrat's fault, especially since they actually vote in favor of our educational system instead of trying to privatize it, like Republicans. The brunt of this shitshow we find ourselves in falls squarely on American voters and their lack of education/morals.
The billionaires with their hand up Trump's ass are clearly more evil than the billionaires with their hand up Biden's ass.
I mean, yes and yes, but unfortunately yes. It's possible for a capitalist shit stain to be worse than a capitalist pee stain, even if only by a near indiscernible margin. Which mattress would you rather??
The Dems failing to pass helpful legislation is different than scrapping the country and having the peices sold off by Donald Trump
But to a centrist everything that isn't shoveling ice cream into their stupid maw is equally evil
Huge red flag, using "centrist" to apply to anyone who criticizes both political parties. Lot of those people identify as "leftists" with Democrats to their "right". It's an really grotesque America-centric framing that makes it sound like any position outside of the genocidal American mainstream is automatically wrong, and any bipartisan critique is just lazy indecisiveness. As if every systemic critique of this country is wrong. As if you ever even bothered to think critically about the entire system yourself, or what better possibilities are out there. I think that's what they call a "thought-terminating cliche". Your mind hasn't gone there, but you'll attack anyone whose mind has. Really disgraceful behavior.
Filthy centrists.
"I don't feel comfortable voting for a woman with the same policies"