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Why does EU let Microsoft break Linux on dual-booting computers? Why let home robots sabotage enemy products in people's homes? (lemmy.world)
submitted 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) by Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world to c/actually_infuriating@lemmy.world
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Every time Windows updates itself, my Linux disappears. Actually, it's just hidden, only the boot menu was overwritten. You need a computer maintenance technician to make a new boot menu. I use a USB stick with a live Linux with automatic boot repair tools.

Recently, Windows has become resistant to Boot Repair Disk. Now I have to open computer firmware by tapping "Esc" right after power-up, then select "Boot options", then "Linux".

EU must ban all US-made smart products for its own safety. All closed-source software and electronics that can be used for strategic manipulation and sabotage -- Google, Apple, Amazon, all of it.

We have functional, clunky open-source software that could easily be fitted for any purpose with the money we waste propping up foreign monopolies sabotaging us. Europe has taken a huge risk. I suspect bribery.

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I'm surprised that Windows overrides the UEFI partition at every boot. They should not be allowed to do this.

But also, i'm kinda surprised that Windows allows the wubi.exe Ubuntu installer to write to the UEFI boot menu.

I agree that better regulations need to be put in place. I too suspect bribery. How else would you explain that we're getting surveillance package instead of this?

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Get off the MBR disks and onto EFI. BIOS solves for this.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 3 hours ago

BIOS is MBR though, (U)EFI replaced it.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 7 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Win11 bricked my linux install usb. Microsoft also colluded with intel to make intel cpus appear to perform better by sandbagging AMD cpus.

Bill Gates may be a nice guy but his company has become trash.

[–] heavydust@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

has become trash

It was always trash and always fucked with Linux and other OS. The only solution is no Windows.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago

Sad thing is, the NT kernel itself is POSIX and compatible and all. But the UI on top doesn't support half of it.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 8 hours ago

Come on, 2000me was good.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago

Bill Gates may have become a nice guy but his company is trash.

Better, no?

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 57 points 17 hours ago (5 children)

FWIW dual booting from the same physical drive is never a good idea in my experience. Even Linux-Linux dual booting is just asking for problems when one of them updates the grub configs and messes it up for the other.

Save yourself some sanity and move your Windows install to a new drive.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 hours ago

That's actually why i don't auto-mount /bin in linux. It only messes things up when it updates the kernel.

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 hours ago

One if my laptops only has 1 bay for a drive unfortunately. Currently going through the motion OP describes. Updating Windows and repairing the bootloader. It's still MBR, not uefi, too.

[–] mildlyusedbrain@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

This is really the advice to take. I tried dual boot and went back to Windows due to it nuking grub.

Tried again after buying a new SSD and haven't had an issues since

[–] biokernel@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 14 hours ago

and when one drive fails you can boot from the other drive and repair your system

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

this - there needs to be a standard for all installers to get behind

[–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Windows 11 gets worse with every update, might start running it in a VM

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 hours ago

On my laptop I need windows for an OBDII dongle, luckily the software works fine in a VM.

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 29 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Safest thing to do is run windows only in a VM or container with Linux as the host OS and pass the hardware required in. Windows actually runs better this way and can't mess with your Linux install.

[–] Khanzarate@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

How does it run better?

I've avoided it specifically for performance reasons, this is new to me, for one program that WINE doesn't like.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago

Linux manages disk access way better than Windows.

But anything that depends on CPU, memory, or IO lattency will get slower.

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I've not actually benchmarked it. Although others have and I couldn't really tell you why but windows spends a lot less time and resources trying to manage itself when it's in a VM or container. It's just much snapier and even when passing in a GPU to play games it preforms well.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

None of this has ever been my experience

[–] ParetoOptimalDev@lemmy.today 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

If you aren't gaming, you don't care about performance past giving CPU/RAM enough resources to VM.

If you are multiplayer gaming and unwilling to give it up or be very tech savvy, VM isn't an option.

Well maybe, see: https://looking-glass.io/

If you single player game, you just need pcie passthrough to your VM.

[–] Khanzarate@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Those resources are the concern. Yes, a VM works fine, but works better than native windows? That's where my question is.

Also, I care a lot about performance if I'm running my system on a potato.

[–] GentriFriedRice@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Expect at least a 20% performance hit with a hypervisor compared to bare metal

[–] dust_accelerator@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

This is the way.

[–] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 2 points 9 hours ago

There are currently [2] Satyah Nadellas downvoting but
This is The Way

[–] RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works 8 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I use a Dualboot with Windows 10 (there are unfortunately some very few games I couldn't get to run with Linux, otherwise I had removed Windows a long time ago) but I never ran into this problem. Someone here wrote about efimgr, could be that I installed that by accident and this helps. I just followed some random tutorial back then.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Did you try the tinkering recommendations on protonDB? They're great. Might be able to help you if you hadn't tried them.

[–] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 0 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Hey, drag. I can tell you that most people trying to switch from Windows to Linux do not want to sit there after a long day at work and tinker with stuff to just get a game running.

Yesterday, after a 10 hour shift, I got home and tried to get WeMod working on my openSUSE Tumbleweed. I got home at 6 in the afternoon, and had been up since 6 that morning. It wasn’t until 9 PM that I was finally able to get WeMod working with Mass Effect Legendary Edition, thanks to the WeMod-launcher team over on GirHub.

That means I was only able to play for maybe an hour before bed just because I wanted something that is as simple as double clicking on Windows, and playing.

Now, I understand I’m an edge case, because I want to use cheats on my games. That’s just the general attitude I’ve seen when trying to get people to switch over myself.

“Why isn’t my program working?”

“Oh, yeah. Programs for Windows don’t work as they should. You have to do x and y and then sprinkle a little bit of z in this config file over here on this other other program”

“What the fuck? That’s stupid.”

“No man. It’s really cool once you start to understand!”

“Please help me get my Windows back. I don’t want to bother with this, I just want to play my game / use my program”

Literal conversation I’ve had.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 10 hours ago

Even when single booting efi is usually the thing making it sorta annoying. Take that out and the install is super smooth.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 11 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

EU must ban all US-made smart products for its own safety. All closed-source software and electronics that can be used for strategic manipulation and sabotage -- Google, Apple, Amazon, all of it.

Well this solves your first issue, Microsoft is US based. So just uninstall windows.

[–] dust_accelerator@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 16 hours ago

"Computers are like air conditioning.

They become useless when you open windows"

  • some Finnish dude
[–] Lazycog@sopuli.xyz 17 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (4 children)

I agree with your post but I must ask - is that King Charles taking the ~~wheel~~ UEFI Boot partition?

Thanks for the confirmations. It indeed seems to be King Charles taking the UEFI Boot Partition. ~~Microsoft~~ Monarchy at it again taking what belongs to the people.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago

That it is, old Chucky Sausagefingers

[–] Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

When I found the image, the file name claimed it's him. Then Lemmy changed the file name.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

Was wondering the same thing. Also, that expression on his face...

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz -1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Wait, King Charles is black?

EDIT: the man in the picture has dark skin. Drag assumed he was black.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

MOD: I assume this is a reference to something, but you will have to edit the reply to reflect that. It's a huge stretch, and as written it comes of needlessly racist.

[–] redxef@feddit.org 11 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

efibootmgr is your friend. Boot into linux and use it to set the boot records as you want, in the order that you want them.

Also, I have heard from a bunch of people, that this can be mitigated by having separate EFI partitions for Linux and Windows. That means one EFI partition per physical drive. You can go as far as having the EFI partition on different media than the Linux install.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 0 points 15 hours ago

Someone claimed in another post that keeping them on the same drive prevents this but I'm not so sure

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 2 points 12 hours ago

You've gotten some good suggestions but let me add another one. Run Windows as a LE (Live Environment) from a USB drive. There's ways to do this for both Windows 10 and Windows 11, just search for "Windows Live Environment".

[–] HornedMeatBeast@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago

I run Windows 10 on one NVME drive and Linux on a different one, but whenever I reinstall Windows it completely boffs my Linux installation.

If I reinstall Linux then my Windows installation is gone.

Took me a while but it seems that Windows is using my Linux NVME for its boot partition and so far the only way I've been able to avoid this is to unplug my Linux drive when reinstalling Windows.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I haven't been using Linux that long, but it hasn't happened to me in the six months I've been dual booting 🤔

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 1 points 15 hours ago

It definitely happens, I've had windows fuck up Grub multiple times.

[–] Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

I use Windows 1-2 times per year, so I don't know how often the boot-breaker comes. This has happened to me on four computers with Windows 10-11. Always with both Linux and Windows on the same drive, which is key, says another comment here.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 16 hours ago

Oh that might be it then