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[–] Ste41th@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 hours ago

Fuck Google

[–] penguinclaw@lemm.ee 4 points 4 hours ago

Unbelievable 2025 is turning out to be a stellar year

[–] oh_@lemmy.world 35 points 9 hours ago

Time for EU to simply ban Google then for non compliance.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 38 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Google has told the EU that it will not comply with a forthcoming fact-checking law.

Perfect time to implement sky-high fines for non-compliance.

[–] ours@lemmy.world 11 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Ah, but that's why US Big Tech is splooshing cash all over President Felon and hoping he saves them from evil communist European consumer protections.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Yep, they're hoping Trump will pressure the EU to get rid of their pesky consumer protections. They don't even make any profits for billionaires!

[–] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Yes, the EU will certainly kowtow to him and bend the knee. 🙄

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 15 points 13 hours ago

Google is basically saying the EU couldn't do its own subpar search and they're not brave enough to try.

[–] Geobloke@lemm.ee 41 points 16 hours ago (6 children)

I hate community notes, it's a cost free way of fact checking with no accountability.

I also hate these big international tech companies. Forget too big to fail, these are too big to change. We are all techno peasants and they are our tech lords

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 hours ago

I hate community notes, it's a cost free way of fact checking with no accountability

And it lets certain communities brigade the notes with misinformation/disinformation to try and control the narrative.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Ironically, for authoritarian communist countries that recorded high rate of newly minted billionaires in the past five years, China and Vietnam are doing something right cracking down on billionaires.

[–] Geobloke@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago

Very fair, the persecution of Jack Ma was very interesting. Haven't heard of what happened in Vietnam though?

You shouldn't need to be authoritarian to crack down on these systems though. I really liked what I saw Lena Khan doing in the US, what Brazil did to twitter or what Julie Inman Grant did here in Australia

[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 11 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I hate community notes, it’s a cost free way of fact checking with no accountability.

I don't think it's necessarily bad, but it can be harmful if done on a platform that has a significant skew in its political leanings, because it can then lead to the assumption that posts must be true because they were "fact checked" even if the fact check was actually just one of the 9:1 ratio of users that already believes that one thing.

However, on platforms that have more general, less biased overall userbases, such as YouTube, a community notes system can be helpful, because it directly changes the platform incentives and design.

I like to come at this from the understanding that the way a platform is designed influences how it is used and perceived by users. When you add a like button but not a dislike button, you only incentivize positive fleeting interactions with posts, while relegating stronger negative opinions to the comments, for instance. (see: Twitter)

If a platform integrates community notes, that not only elevates content that had any effort at all made to fact check it (as opposed to none at all) but it also means that, to get a community note, somebody must at least attempt to verify the truth. And if someone does that, then statistically speaking, there's at least a slightly higher likelihood that the truth is made apparent in that community note than if none existed to incentivize someone to fact check in the first place.

Again, this doesn't work in all scenarios, nor is it always a good decision to add depending on a platform's current design and general demographic political leanings, but I do think it can be valuable in some cases. (This also heavily depends on who is allowed access to create the community notes, of course)

[–] Geobloke@lemm.ee 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I get what you're trying to say, they can incentivise accuracy and they do at least prompt people to be more accurate lest the community holds them to account. But what i don't like is that there is no standard that the notes are held to and there is no accountability if either the original post or the community note are wrong.

I also don't like that the social media publishers are pushing the fact checkers onto the community to be done for free, but at the end of the day they own the community note and can delete it if they don't like it. We are doing their work for them and taking accountability away from them

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[–] Weeby_Wabbit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 14 hours ago (6 children)

France's tech sector: "Zis is mon' Chanz to shine!"

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[–] HaiZhung@feddit.org 48 points 21 hours ago

I get the sentiment, who doesn’t want to dunk on Google?

But the headline is needlessly inflammatory. There is no law yet; and google essentially is saying please please don’t implement it, it totally doesn’t make sense.

Don’t get me wrong, the EU should still implement it. And once it is law; Google will also comply.

[–] MaxPow3r11@lemmy.world 88 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Damn.

Wish the rest of us could just ignore all laws & not face any consequences.

What a fucking joke this entire system is.

[–] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 26 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

They don't have a problem giving someone 100 years for a quarter bag of weed though. For a first time offense.

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[–] timestatic@feddit.org 60 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Fine the heck out of them then. If they don't pay the fine ban em. Plenty of alternatives out there. More competition in the search engine market would be better anyways.

Not too big of a fan of banning companies as the hurdles should be decently high... Especially if many people rely on their service but if they won't comply with our jurisdiction long term I see this as the only option as fees can not be order of business to pay

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Start criminal proceedings to imprison the leadership responsible for non-compliance. Seize their assets to pay for any fine.

Why do we accept that all solutions to corporate crimes should be fines and kiddie gloves?

[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 73 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Given that we are going full authoritarian fascist now, perhaps the EU should ban Google, given the US tik tok precedent.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What a twist. In the 90s, the internet forced countries to wake up to the new modern era. It was a combination of American companies wanting both to expand and provide goodwill.

And now, this new era is going to tell American companies to fuck off.

[–] Toribor@corndog.social 17 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Democracies around the world rightly shouldn't tolerate the blatant corruption and manipulative business practice of American tech companies.

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[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Didn't a year ago or so, Some European lawmaker made a vague hint in support of something that involved regulations on social media, and Elon replied "go fuck yourself" verbatem?

Play hardball, or surrender and give them what they want. there's no compromise or middle ground with these techbro fascists

[–] PeroBasta@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

I wonder how it will work and how can be enforced. Weekly I can easily find non fact checked article on "respectable" newspaper.

If its the newspaper themselves that prioritize click baiting over fact checking, I don't know how can we ask Google or meta to fact check their userbase

[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 23 hours ago

Sovereign citizens are really getting out of hand. Oh wait it's google.

[–] Foni@lemm.ee 270 points 1 day ago (18 children)

In other words, a company, acting on behalf of its own shareholders, tells a government, which represents 100% of the citizens in a given territory, to shove its legislation where the sun doesn’t shine. And not only is this not inherently absurd, but it also stands a significant chance of succeeding in getting the government to comply.

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 169 points 1 day ago (59 children)

That's pretty bold for a really fucking useless search engine. The EU could just block it and redirect google.com to a gov run searxng instange and everyone in europe would be better off overniggt

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