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[–] frezik@midwest.social 13 points 17 hours ago

American conservatives do not care. The goal for them was never to reduce teenage pregnancy or abortions in the first place. The policies to do that effectively have been known and obvious for decades.

Control is the purpose of their policies. Any improvement in quality of life is rare and completely accidental.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 14 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I've read somewhere that most of the decline in birth rates in developed countries comes from the end of teenage pregnancies.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Wouldn't surprise me.

There's definitely a political wing that would see this as a negative story and read the headline as "free contraception in Finland leads to reduction in reproductive rate".

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 1 points 15 hours ago

Forced birthers are weird. They’re bigots who believe in replacement theory and that the solution is to turn women into baby factories.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Much of it, perhaps. Women are often delaying their first child well into their 30s or even 40s, so it's more than just waiting for adulthood.

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Women are often delaying their first child well into their 30s or even 40s

Women who delay into their 40s are highly likely to never have children. Even waiting until the mid-30s dramatically reduces a woman’s chance of ever being able to have children naturally.

Pregnancies after the age of 35 are called “geriatric pregnancies”, because they occur at the very tail end of a woman’s fertile timespan.

Fertility itself starts going down some time between 28 and 32, and really starts plummeting by 40. The medical field considers nearly all women 45 and older to be “functionally sterile”, even though menopause itself may still be years or decades away.

I mean, can a woman get pregnant naturally after the age of 45? As in, without modern medical reproductive assistance in the many tens of thousands of dollars? Sure, but it is vanishingly rare.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 3 points 16 hours ago

A birth that moves from the 20s to the 30s is still a birth, and while a lot of what you're saying is happening - I know it first hand - it's incomparable in magnitude to not having four kids between 14 and 18.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The only acceptable way to prevent pregnancies, for American conservatives anyway, is to abstain from sex. There’s a lot of talk about babies’ lives in relation to abortion, but the bigger motivation is punishing women who have sex with an unwanted pregnancy. “She should have thought of that before she opened her legs” really is the bottommost concept for them. A pill that allows free sex without pregnancy? How does that punish anyone for having sex?? This is their attitude.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Telling teenagers, who's bodies are filling with hormones telling them HAVE SEX NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW to abstain is just never going to work. And we've seen that demonstrated over and over. Including with people like Sarah Palin's own son.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

I know right? They’re not having sex BECAUSE contraception is available. Unfortunately these conservatives are great at ignoring the data on this and perpetually jousting with this windmill.

[–] UnpopularCrow@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think you mean Lauren Boebert. Sarah Palin had a pregnant daughter who was 17 at the time. Same difference though.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, thanks. They're all from the same right-wing idiot mold.

[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They're easy to mistake for one another, but Sarah Palin didn't get caught engaging in foreplay with her boyfriend at a very public theater.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

She probably would have, but cameras weren't ubiquitous enough yet.

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

If a sperm is a baby and an egg is a baby, when they merge does a child die?

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 12 points 1 day ago

American conservatives are trash and shouldn't be allowed to make political decisions.

[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 63 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

"ThAt WoN't WoRk In My BaCkYaRd!!!"

-- Rest of World

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago

"And I don't want it to work on anyone else's backyard neither!" - American GOP

[–] felykiosa@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

PLEASE dont do generality ,we the rest of the world are not all like USA.

[–] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

^ this. I remember getting a package as a teenager that included condoms and i know teenager can get the pill for free or at least like 95% reduced price. Rest of the world isnt usa

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

That said, I am guessing in a lot of very religious Africa and Latin America, teens are not getting easy access to contraception.

[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Agreed!

However, let's take a look at the G7 (or 8!)...not seeing much promise, even Canada...

[–] felykiosa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

In France there are free condoms distributors and we have sex ed (real sex ed not the weird shit that American have)

[–] czl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Most countries in Europe have free contraception? And it’s working?

Finland probably is just the one that has the most recent numbers.

won't someone think of the future wage slaves that are not to be! What shall we put into our grinders?!

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just another reason the US sucks.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 1 points 16 hours ago

Could you imagine the outcry from conservatives and evangelicals in the US if something like free contraception was available?

Even if it reduced abortions by 100 percent, they would never go for it.

[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago
[–] I_Miss_Daniel@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

I didn't think you could abort teenagers.

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

The current government's cuts have already removed this in areas