Am I the only person here who remembers when Hong Kong killed all its chickens because a few people died of H5N1 flu? https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1997-dec-29-mn-3171-story.html
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Kinda wild that this is happening just prior to a Trump presidency again. I can't imagine the response is going to get stronger after Jan 20.
Probably not a pandemic and it doesn't spread via mail packages and definetly not airborne because that's impossible if you just stay 6' apart.
This isn’t the first time cats have been susceptible to death after being infected with bird flu. Last year, over half of a cluster of cats that sporadically died in Poland were infected with the H5N1 bird flu.
It's bridging species across the globe even. This shit is inevitable. All it will take is one blind spot.
Just in time for Vice President Trump to try and get another high score on the Assholes Who Killed Millions of Their Own People list. Hitler, Mao and Stalin would be so proud.
Vance is VP. We need a new term for Trump now that Musk is the real President. Maybe Junior President?
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Three men in a car, the front holds JD Vance in the passenger's seat and Elon Musk in the driver's seat. A strap around the front seat secures a child's toy steering wheel, which faces into the back. Trump sits in back seat, clutching the wheel.
Text on image: "So cute! He thinks he's steering!.."
Credit given to: Michael E Luckovich; The Atlanta Journal- Constitution
Oh yeah. I had completely forgotten about JD Vance. I don't have a couch in my house so he's usually out of context.
Assistant president or assistant to the president.
President-consort.
Well.
Maybe we need to rethink the whole structure.
Putin is Pres. Musk is VP...? Turmp is Co-Chief of Staff, along with Vance?
So everyone guzzle down that raw milk! HHS Secretary Kennedy says have at it, and no one will bother you about any pesky masks or social distancing and definitely not vaccines.
Keep that apple-flavoured horse paste on hand though.
It’s the worm talking. He controls Kennedy now.
Wow, I love it.
The worm died in his brain. I assume because his thoughts are poison.
That’s what they want you to think. Maybe it took over!!! ;)
Do they call him Dr. Worm?
They really should. All hail Taenia solium!
Mr. Mind
Still annoyed that he barely had any presence in the Shazam movies.
I'm pretty sure it's just Plankton.
Ugg, I am not looking forward to the cost to deworm our horses tripling again.
God, I thought it was from exposure from being outdoors. It's from raw milk?! Adult cats aren't actually supposed to drink cow's milk in the first place.
It's from birds they kill.
Read the article: they were indoor only cats
Ah, so idiot owners feeding their cats raw milk is the only other option.
Raw milk recall? Shit, raw milk shouldn't even be legal in the first place.
cheesemaker turns around
Cheese making uses pasteurized milk here in USA , even imported cheese are pasteurized
Feeding dangerous food to cats, and they die. That's animal cruelty.
They'd eat raw meat in the wild.
I mean, they're gonna be better off with processed food, sure, but I'd have a hard time setting the bar for cruelty below what they'd normally get.
EDIT: Oh, there are two cases, one with raw meat, the other raw milk:
The agency is also investigating a separate case, also in LA County, concerning a cat that has "tested presumptive positive for H5 bird flu after consuming two different brands of raw pet food composed of raw poultry and raw beef."
They don't eat raw meat. They eat fresh meat.
Raw meat implies that it's been harvested and not prepared. Fresh meat means it was still in an immune system controlled environment prior to ingestion.
Still not as good as prepared meat but less pathogens than raw as time matters a lot.
I would LOVE to see this prosecuted, not because I want people who are hurting from the loss of a pet to be hurt more, but because not enough people consider raw milk dangerous and they really should. Even if the punishment was super small (because these people obviously didn't understand what they were doing) it would hopefully help prevent future incidents.
Feeding a human baby raw milk would land someone in jail. (Or, I hope...)
Raw milk ... Raw meat
I mean I'm not an expert, but generally "raw" anything is not something you want to consume.
Hell, cats don't eat raw meat in the wild - they eat fresh meat. Fresh meat has far less pathogens than raw. Still not as good as cooked, but better. Fresh meat means it had an active immune system prior to ingestion.
Edit: ... Yes I know it's a virus. This does not change my statement. I said pathogens.
Freshly killed birds carry bird flu. Cats can catch it this way and the current strain, H5N1 is 67% fatal to cats. It's a horrific death too. Cats should be kept inside where they belong.
This is likely airborne, huh? Any idea what the incubation period is for cats? I'm seeing mixed information, but read that symptoms seem to progress very quickly. My cats are indoor only, but we usually have some fosters around, and I'm worried that we may need to put that on pause.
Full disclosure: I am not an expert.
This study suggests that this strain is capable of spreading via airborne water droplets. Right now there have been, to my knowledge, no cases of human to human infection confirmed, but that same study also suggests that it appears to be possible. As for cat to cat or human to cat transmission, nobody seems to know yet.
The influenza virus is capable of rapid mutation, though. That's why we need a different vaccine for it every year. Plus, the more infections there are in a given population, be it people, cattle, or poultry, the more chances there are that the virus could mutate into a form that can spread more easily to other species. Right now, there is a massive outbreak in dairy and poultry farms in parts of the USA which means the virus is getting lots of chances to do that.
Thanks! In terms of fostering, my primary concern is cat to cat, although I probably should worry about cat to human also. My resident cats are otherwise healthy and I keep them up to date on their vaccinations, but at least so far, it doesn't sound like that's good enough.
The researchers next housed uninfected ferrets in cages next to infected ones to test whether the virus could spread through the air via respiratory droplets. They performed four separate experiments using ferrets infected with varying doses of the virus. Between 1 in 6 and 1 in 3 infected ferrets transmitted the virus to uninfected neighbors. Five of the six ferrets who became infected in this way died.
In my case, they would effectively be housed in separate cages (rooms of my home) for an initial quarantine period, but I would be going back and forth between those rooms without changing my clothes.
I'm pretty sure the viral count in meat isn't going to increase after death. That only applies to bacteria.
Not how that works at all. Virus =/= as bacteria.