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As a thinking experiment, let us consider that on the 1st of January of 2025 it is announced that an advance making possible growing any kind of animal tissue in laboratory conditions as been achieved and that it is possible to scale it in order to achieve industrial grade production level.

There is no limit on which animal tissues can be grown, so, any species is achieveable, only being needed a small cell sample from an animal to start production, and the cultivated tissues are safe for consumption.

There won't be any perceiveable price change to the end consummer, as the growing is a complex and labour intensive process, requiring specialized equipments and personnel.

Would you change to this new diet option?

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[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 3 points 45 minutes ago

Impossible Burgers already exist and are fucking delicious.

But, sure, if I can have pastrami or corned beef again without requiring a cow experience a life full of torment, emit a cow's lifetime of methane, or have any of that happen where a forest should instead have been left untouched, I'd try it!

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago

I’d rather go vegan. Falafel all the way.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago

If it was healthy, affordable, and tasty, then yes.

If it isn't all three, then Veganism can continue to go fuck itself.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago

I've been vegan for almost 25 years, and vegetarian for couple years before that... and I'd be happy it existed, but I wouldn't eat it. I don't miss meat, and the idea of eating any of it just grosses me out.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I'd try it if the price came down. Fake meat is in the store now but I still eat the real thing. Maybe the current stuff isn't what OP is talking about.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

If I could afford it yeah of course

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Jesus, people bitch about processed foods but have no issues with whatever shit has to be put into this to make it grow?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

For seafood yes, but I'm unlikely to bother regrowing the necessary gut biome for other meats

[–] juliebean@lemm.ee 10 points 10 hours ago

hell yeah. soon as its not way more expensive than normal meat, i'm down. your proposed technology also sounds like it should mean lab grown replacement organs with zero chance of rejection, which would be amazing.

[–] Shimitar@feddit.it 10 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Yes, absolutely. No risk of virus or bacteria, or worse...

Grown to the size you want...

Of the shape and type you want...

No fat (maybe?)....

What's not to like.

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 hours ago

What kinda idiot would want no fat?

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 4 points 12 hours ago

I'd say price is definitely a factor. I already pass over good cuts of meat for that reason. Also taste/texture/overall experience. If it checs those boxes, and it has been on the market long enough to be confident I won't get instant cancer, then 100%! A little marbled fat makes it better though.

[–] communism@lemmy.ml 5 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

You haven't mentioned if there are any ethical concerns with this new meat; e.g. environmental cost of the production process, what kind of human labour is required to create it, who is providing that labour and under what conditions are they working.

Provided I had no ethical concerns with it, sure, but a lot of modern innovations tend to have these issues and I assume lab-grown meat would have these issues too.

Edit: Also, I'm opposed to animal captivity, so if there's an ongoing need to collect samples from captive livestock then no, I wouldn't. If it's a "collect it once then it keeps reproducing from the lab samples forever" type of thing then sure.

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Can I see the lab?

no

Darnit...

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 hours ago

Don't ask to see a slaughterhouse...

[–] r0ertel@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

No, i'd go vegan before i'd eat cultured meat. I'm not opposed to it and it's probably better for the economy and environment, but I have a mental thing about it. Granted if I had to catch and clean my own meat, i'd also probably go vegan. Maybe I'm just squeamish about my food.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Sorta sounds like you already think meat is gross.

[–] r0ertel@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'm pretty picky about the meat I do eat. It's the fat and gristle that I can't stand. After a pork chop, it looks like a dissection. I don't like to eat around bones. If I think about it too much, old probably end up vegetarian, which would probably be better for me given my other health issues. I don't think anybody ever died from eating too many vegetables.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

This actually happened to me too for quite a long while. I knew I would be vegan for maybe 10 years before I decided I should just do it one day. Life's weird like that. I will say its pretty important to have fresh veggies and fruits nearby or else its practically impossible no matter what.

[–] argarath@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

What is the mental thing you have against lab grown meat?

[–] r0ertel@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

It sort of grosses me out. I don't know how to explain it.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 points 14 hours ago

I would definitely eat cultured meat as long as it’s not too expensive.

[–] LiamTheBox@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

500 protein bars...

As if the facists will allow it...

[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 10 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 6 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Only if I could put my own DNA in it so I could eat my own ass

[–] legionguy@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago

sucking your own meat would be crazy

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 2 points 18 hours ago

I... really don't have a reply to that. Autophagy? Perhaps?

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 5 points 21 hours ago

The only thing I'd wait for is for the process to be refined enough to be more eco friendly than just eating real meat. I'd do it, but until there's proof of it being more sustainable and won't tank my blood thin/thickness levels (blood thinners sometimes suck), I would be down to try it at the very least.

Though I would receive resistance in changing my diet until either my dad changes his eating habits or I move out on my own because my dad absolutely refuses things like plant based meats, so I know he'd most likely resist lab grown meat as well. It's also hard for my mom and I to switch to a healthier dinner diet since both my dad and older brother wouldn't dare change their diets to something like a Mediterranean or some other healthier because they can be picky eaters (especially my older brother).

[–] Birdie@thelemmy.club 17 points 1 day ago

I'll move to it in a second. Protein with no need to slaughter animals would be so fantastic for the animals, the earth, and people.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 5 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

I would be wildly optimistic, but very cautious.

I'd want to see multi-year randomized control trials comparing the bioavailability of not only protein, but also vitamins and minerals from the synthetic meat and liver, to natural meat and liver.

Assuming the RCTs show no issues, then I would happily move over.

Modern meat products are on a spectrum as well, it's not just having the meat, it's what the meat ate before it became me that's important. Grass-fed, versus grain fed for beef. Insect, and protein for chickens, grain fed for chickens etc. antibiotics, hormones being supplemented into the feed to improve yields.

One massive problem the industry globally suffers from is overpromising. Just like multivitamins, which are very poorly bioavailable, and mostly peed out, they promise a lot but don't deliver much.

Factors I would look for:

  • can somebody sustain life eating only the synthetic meat for multiple years?
  • oxidative stress, and oxidation in the synthetic food?
  • The temptation to engineer sugar, and carbohydrates, directly into the meat to increase sales yields.

Green sustainability:

  • can the synthetic meat be produced globally?
  • Will poor farmers in the middle of nowhere be improved or hurt by this? Will they have access to the synthetic meat?
  • in the event global logistics fail, like an a war, will moving over to synthetic meat severely hurt critical infrastructure and ability to feed populations?
[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 2 points 21 hours ago

That was a very compreensive answer. You gave me a few thinking points.

[–] Openopenopenopen@lemmy.world 60 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

In a heartbeat. Although I’d prefer meat alternatives to lab grown meat. Like impossible burgers.

I don’t eat a ton of meat, and I’d like to eat even less. this option would help me feel like I’m not making animals suffer just so I can survive.

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[–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml -5 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

You know the difference between a white vegan/vegetarian vs a non white, they don't try to find something that tastes exactly like a meat. There are a lots and lots of dishes that are 100% vegan/vegetarian and taste much much better and don't pretend to be meat of any sort.

If you are so tempted by the taste of the meat then just eat it.Environment isn't going to get any better just because you stopped eating meat, the animal cruelty isn't going to stop because of you.

[–] r0ertel@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

I've never heard this, bit have tried to explain it to people and failed. If you're going to try to find a vegan substitute for a thing, most of the time it will fail to impress because it's not the thing that it's pretending to be. Take vegan cheese. It's probably worse for you than regular cheese because it's super processed.

I have several meals that I make that are vegan, but don't need to be labeled as vegan because it's not a substitute. For example, I make chili with those big mushrooms because I like the taste, but I don't call it a vegan chili, I call it a mushroom chili.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

White/non-white vegan? That is uncharted territory for me. Can you expand a little more on that?

[–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

oh you know I'm vegan but I just love bacon, and eggs. OK sometimes I like to have a little bit of lobster

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I'm a fence sitter on the eggs front, not going to lie.

I had a few chickens for some time, always made sure they were well fed, sheltered and protected from potential predators and at some point they just started laying eggs around. There was no rooster to fertilize the eggs, so... it was just spoiling around.

[–] DashboTreeFrog 34 points 1 day ago (9 children)

There's tons of plant based proteins already. Having already added more vegan meals to my diet I think this would just be another option for me and one more for novelty than anything else

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[–] akkajdh999@programming.dev 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah. If it's the same, of course. I don't like killing cats for food.

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[–] yuri@pawb.social 14 points 1 day ago

once it’s affordable, yeah almost immediately i reckon. i already go for plant based meats whenever i can find them for a reasonable price!

If it were indistinguishable from other meat sources, and priced similarly (preferably less!), then of course. I expect it will take a very long time to get to that point, though.

Definitely. I see no downsides.

I don't eat very much meat as it is. But if I could drastically reduce the suffering inflicted when I do I would not hesitate.

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