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[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 5 points 6 days ago

To be fair it was bots that voted them to the front page.

[–] plunging365@lemm.ee 6 points 6 days ago

Does Lemmy have any features that resist this kind of astroturfing?

No one would consider bots talking to one another a real conversation, but is there anything regular users can do?

[–] ShadowRam@fedia.io 4 points 6 days ago

Anyone who did any kind of modding on Reddit could see the majority of posts and comments where mostly bots.

Bots competitions for upvotes/views and clicks.

Reddit's been like that since ~2018

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 131 points 1 week ago (9 children)

(Already said this before, but let me reiterate:)

Typical AITA post:

Title: AITAH for calling out my [Friend/Husband/Wife/Mom/Dad/Son/Daughter/X-In-Law] after [He/She] did [Undeniably something outrageous that anyone with an IQ above 80 should know its unacceptable to do]?

Body of post:

[5-15 paragraph infodumping that no sane person would read]

I told my friend this and they said I’m an asshole. AITAH?

Comments:

Comment 1: NTA, you are abosolutely right, you should [Divorce/Go No-Contact/Disown/Unfriend, the person] IMMEDIATELY. Don’t walk away, RUNNN!!!

Comment 2: NTA, call the police! That’s totally unacceptable!

And sometimes you get someone calling out OP… 3: Wait, didn’t OP also claim to be [Totally different age and gender and race] a few months ago? Heres the post: [Link]


🙄 C’mon, who even think any of this is real…

[–] WilderSeek@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It's "reality television" on a discussion forum to karma farm and help push other kinds of misinformation.

[–] smokebuddy@lemmy.today 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Needs to feature both a wedding and a pregnancy and you've nailed it

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

insert plot from an episode of Friends

AITAH?

[–] PineRune@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I asked my friend to help move a couch into my apartment but he got it stuck in the stairwell. AITAH?

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[–] Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Way too many...

I was born before the Internet. The Internet is always lumped into the "entertainment" part of my brain. A lot of people that have grown up knowing only the Internet think the Internet is much more "real". It's a problem.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I've come up with a system to categorize reality in different ways:

Category 1: Thoughts inside my brain formed by logics

Category 2: Things I can directly observe via vision, hearing, or other direct sensory input

Category 3: IRL Other people's words, stories, anecdotes, in face to face conversations

Category 4: Acredited News Media, Television, Newspaper, Radio (Including Amateur Radio Conversations), Telegrams, etc...

Category 5: The General Internet

The higher the category number, means the more distant that information is, and therefore more suspicious I am.

I mean like, if a user on Reddit (or any internet fourm or social media for that matter) told me X is a valid treatment for X disease without like real evidence, I'm gonna laugh in their face (well not their face, since its a forum, but you get the idea).

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[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 7 points 1 week ago

I genuinely miss the 90s. I mean, yeah, early forms of internet and computers existed, but not everyone had a camera, and not everyone got absolutely bukkaked with disinformation. Not that I think everything is bad about the tech in of itself, but how we use it nowadays is just so exhausting.

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Man, sometimes when I finish grabbing something I needed from Reddit, I hit the frontpage (always logged out) just out of morbid curiosity.
Every single time that r/AmIOverreacting sub is there with the most obvious "no, you're not" situation ever.

I never once seen that sub show up before the exodus. AI or not, I refuse to believe any frontpage posts from that sub are anything other than made up bullshit.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago

If it's well-written enough to be entertaining, it doesn't even matter whether it's real or not. Something like it almost certainly happened to someone at some point.

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[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 88 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Oh boy, identity mechanics to curb out the last vestiges of privacy.

[–] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They're pretty much declaring a war on VPNs also

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yep. More than half the time I can't access Reddit through Proton VPN.

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[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

Also doesn’t fix the problem at all, I can still just use AI to post to my main account

[–] Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

you could try to cook up some kind of trust chain, without totally abandoning privacy.

Get a government-certified agencies minting master key tied to your id. You only get one, with trust rating tied to it.

With that master key you can generate infinite amount of sub-ids that dont identify you but show your trust rating(fuzzed).

Have a cross-network reporting system that can lower that rating for abuses like botting.

idk Im just spitballing

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wonder where people in the future will get their information from. What trustworthy sources of information are there? If the internet is overrun with bots, then you can't really trust anything you read there, as it could all be propaganda. What else to do, though, to get your news?

[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

That's the killer app right there: the complete inability for the common person to distinguish between true and false. That's what they're going for.

[–] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I dunno, part of me is ok with it. It's clear to me how bad things are going to get. So having certain platforms or spaces with some level of public identity validation seems like it might be ok....

[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Well, it’s a great method to find people to target for political speech.

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[–] mogoh@lemmy.ml 50 points 1 week ago (4 children)
[–] zeca@lemmy.eco.br 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

there isnt so much incentive. No advertisement. Upvote counters behave weirdly in the fediverse (from what i can see).

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[–] mtchristo@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There are no virtual points to earn on Lemmy. So hopefully it will resist the enshitification for while.

[–] weeeeum@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I still dont see why people care about reddit karma. Its just a number?

[–] Anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 week ago

Account age and karma makes an account look more legit and it's thus more useful for spreading misinformation and/or guerilla marketing.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Same reason why people play cookie clicker, watch the useless number go up.

Also, some subs are downright hostile to people with low karma.

[–] WilderSeek@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Gotta love those dopamine fixes, huh?

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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 44 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In the age of A/B testing and automated engagement, I have to wonder who is really getting played? The people reading the synthetically generated bullshit or the people who think they're "getting engagement" on a website full of bots and other automated forms of engagement cultivation.

How much of the content creator experience is itself gamed by the website to trick creators into thinking they're more talented, popular, and well-received than a human audience would allow and should therefore keep churning out new shit for consumption?

[–] conicalscientist@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's ultimately about ad money. They haven't cared it's humans or bots either. They keep paying out either way. This predates long before the LLM era. It's bizarre.

It's pretty much a case of the POSIWID. The system is meant to be genuine human engagement. What the system does is artificial at every step. Turns out its purpose is to fabricate things for bots to engage with. And this is all propped up by people who for some reason pay to keep the system running.

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[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 20 points 1 week ago

Most people who have worked in customer service would believe every word because they have seen the absurdity of real people.

[–] NutinButNet@hilariouschaos.com 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It’s stupidly easy to make up stuff on AITA and get upvotes/comments. I made up one just for fun and was surprised at how popular it got. Well, now not so much, but back when I did.

If you know the audience and what gets them upset, you’ve got easy karma farming.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 7 points 1 week ago (9 children)

It's like reality TV & soap operas in text form. You can somewhat easily spot the AI posts though, which are plentiful now. They all tend to have the same "professional" writing style and a high tendency to add mid sentence "quotes" and em dashes (—) which you need a numpad combo to actually write out manually - a casual write-up would just use the - symbols, if at all. LLMs also make a lot of logic errors that may pop up. Example from one of the currently highly upvoted posts:

He pulled out what looked like a box from a special jewelry store. My heart raced with excitement as I assumed it was a lovely bracelet or a special memento for our wedding day. But when he opened the box, I was absolutely stunned. Inside was a key to a house he supposedly bought for us. I was taken aback because I had no idea he was even looking for real estate. My first reaction was one of shock and confusion, as I thought it was a huge decision that we should have discussed together.

As I processed the moment, I realized the house wasn’t just any house—it was a fixer-upper on the outskirts of town. Now, I get that it can be a great investment, but this particular house needed a ton of work. I’m talking major renovations and repairs, and I honestly had no desire to live there.

Aside from the weird writing (Oh jolly! Expensive gifts! How exciting!), this lady somehow realized & identified this house, location and its state just by looking at some random key in that moment. Bonus frustration if you read through the comments who eat all of this shit up, assuming they aren't also bots.

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[–] GuitarSon2024@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is the whole reason that I discovered and came to Lemmy. Reddit is literally 90% bots, from the posts, to the filtering, to the censoring, to outright banning. It's a mess.

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Or getting this shit after you comment somewhere:

"Excuse me but could you please send a direct message to our admins to verify your account before placing a comment? Everyone has to do it."

I replied "go fuck yourself" and they banned me instantly and I never even submitted anything lmao.

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[–] Thrife@feddit.org 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Is reddit still feeding Googles LLM or was it just a one time thing? Meaning will the newest LLM generated posts feed LLMs to generate posts?

[–] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

The truly valuable data is the stuff that was created prior to LLMs, anything after this is tainted by slop. Any verifiable human data would be worth more, which is why they are simultaneously trying to erode any and all privacy

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[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Shiri’s Scissor was supposed to be a cautionary tale...

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

But I mean, AI is the asshole, so maybe that's why they went to the front page?

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Tbh, I see how this can be really good for people. We can never again believe that what apples are saying online is really representative of the general population. It never has been, but now we have a really solid reason to dispel the belief that doesn't require much explanation.

That said, we'll need to combat this with more right knit communities where people can better identify themselves as human. Captcha doesn't do that, but the Goth girls on VF so long ago had it figured out. We gotta do proper "salutes".

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why not? r/AmlTheAsshole is about entertainment, not truth. It would be an indictment of AI if it couldn't replicate a short, funny story.

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