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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 163 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I mean, I want to have hope, but the major first world nations of the world didn't build a god damned surveillance state over the last 40 years for nothing. Those fourteen eyes are watching.

What's coming is Hitler's Shutzstaffel on absolute fucking steroids. We used to say, regarding the Patriot Act, that the tools being developed were the kind the Nazi SS would have fucking wet dreams about.

Anne Frank wasn't followed by a GPS tracking unit & surveillance device in her pocket tied to her real name and address that she regularly used to talk with friends. Anne Frank didn't have to worry about heat-scanners that find people hidden in walls. Anne Frank didn't have to worry about the internet at the home she was being hidden in was monitored. Anne Frank was still found and murdered by the Nazis, with much less surveillance, and much lower tech.

I'm not gonna drown myself in hopium and copium. I'm ready for our ramshackle poor-man's cyberpunk world to pop off and start the Water Wars. Because that's sadly way more likely than humans getting their fucking shit together.

EDIT: You want it to get better, start organizing, even for things as simple and small as local mutual aid networks, only using encrypted channels. No, people won't like it. Yes, they're hard to use. If you want to not be constantly infiltrated by people trying to stop you doing good works, go ahead and keep organizing in cleartext. If we want to actually make headway against corrupt governments and corporations yes that means you'll have to learn to do some shit on your own and it won't be as fancy and clean as the corporate option. Stop relying on the groups oppressing you for the tools to fight your oppression by them. The groups oppressing you will never give you the tools to dismantle them.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 40 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Yeah, I'm soon going to be testing out technologies like Meshtastic and ensuring I have a basic survival kit in case natural disaster, revolution, martial law, or some other shit hitting the fan.

If we can't trust the people we've put trust in to do good for us, then we have to re-make every aspect of our society from the ground up.

(Honestly speaking about my government, I have faith in my province and city, but if PP gets into federal office I will be very worried).

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is the way.

Whether we like it or not we rely on modern technology these days. I'd like to see more Mutual Aid Group activity driven to build community mesh-networks and the like. Bring back the ideology of the barbed wire phone networks and community communications. We sold off every bit of communications to corporations, and that's a problem.

LoRa texting devices are also pretty dope, too.

from the ground up.

An important point. Real change never comes from the top down. Stop looking for leaders and start being a community.

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I mean, I want to have hope, but the major first world nations of the world didn’t build a god damned surveillance state over the last 40 years for nothing

Tinfoil hat

I'm 100% convinced the drones in the news lately are prototyping a new mass surveillance program to be kicked off after Trump takes office, likely funded by Musk, likely for purposes related to his planned mass deportations, and so little is being done about it because folks are being told Jan 20 isn't that far away, you better not.

/Tinfoil hat

My slightly less tinfoil hat option B is that it's only your garden variety mass surveillance program being piloted, kicked off under Biden, and that will be unlikely to be curtailed under Trump.

Because as a veteran, I refuse to believe that craft the military weren't intimately familiar with would receive nothing but a shrug in reaction to this, yet that's all that has happened.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm actually with you on both of those possibilities. It was some of the first stuff that came into my head in regards to that issue, as well.

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[–] phx@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They're watching, but here's the thing: at a certain volume, seeing everything actually becomes a detriment as the noise creates false positives and drowns out useful data.

If EVERYONE is pissed off, angry, and posting about it online etc then sorting out "angry enough to do something" gets harder. It'll be interesting to see what the "right to bear arms" folks in government come up with when they're the ones in the crosshairs rather than schoolkids

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Correct.

When it comes down to the necessary facts, it's a numbers game. There are so many more pissed off people than there are in power and wealth. They'd essentially have to massacre incredible amounts of people without destroying their own means of making income.

Guess how much a health care insurance org makes without people to insure?

$0. Interestingly, the same amount we believe it should make with people to insure as well.

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 73 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Imagine how much good could be done if we just took Elon Musk's stuff and used it to fund public education, public healthcare, poverty reduction, drug abuse treatment, and the like. Instead that shit strain is hoarding all that money that came from our pockets.

EDIT: Like...instead of letting him DOGE NASA for the benefit of SpaceX, what if we just took SpaceX and folded it in to NASA?

[–] weeeeum@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I am going to be extremely sad considering the amount of research and science that's about to become privatized. Not just NASA but other government agencies and research grants.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ya, Bill Gate started the trend with "donating" to research for "exclusive rights to everything coming from the research", with Zuckerberg et al all doing it now.

Sprinkle in a million dollars in publicities and people believe they are the good guys too. So infuriating.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

Yeah, that's not donating, that's buying.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 49 points 1 week ago (8 children)

#doubt

Most people live comfortably enough that they won't radicalize, we're far from France before the revolution

[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 53 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Im hoping the nutjobs who become school shooters for attention realize they will get WAY more attention if they are a CEO shooter instead.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I've always wondered how this wasn't always the case. You're pissed off at ______ to the extent that you're willing to commit murder and sacrifice your freedom over it, so you go and shoot up.... a bunch of elementary school students? Dafuq? Why? Target the source of your problem, not some random kids...

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've thought about this and the only thing I can come up with is that school shooters are so pathetic that they only go after kids who can't fight back.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Nah it's more likely just that younger kids have, even those in highschool have a smaller world. They don't have medical issues often and they only think about their peers.

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[–] quixote84@midwest.social 29 points 1 week ago

It got snuffed, but it's worth remembering that 13 years ago, Occupy Wall Street did happen. The path from self education to understanding the real villains has been roughly identical for most of recorded history, and right now if you still read books the truth is pretty much everywhere and undeniable.

Ever since OWS was unceremoniously snuffed without actual reform, I've been waiting for a nice blue shell thrower to show up. It's been the only remaining path available the entire time. One person walks that road, and suddenly it becomes vastly easier for others to follow...

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Yes the median income is something like 80k. The mode however is still firmly buried in the 35-40k segment. Fun fact, you only need 1% of the population for a region to conduct a viable insurgency. Less for highly concentrated places like NY and LA. You need 10% to provide material aid like money and shelter. Which is a different, lower level, of radicalization.

So NYC by traditional standards would need 82,000 people to be radicalized enough to commit violent acts. In reality because it's so dense they could easily do it with a thousand, and several thousand supporters. And this is for big boy insurgency stuff where the police have to engage in extended firefights just to get into a neighborhood. For terrorism campaigns the numbers are even smaller. 2 people paralyzed the entire state of Maryland and Northern Virginia in 2002. A couple hundred dedicated people not trying to hold territory could easily shut down wall street until the NYPD turned it into the Baghdad Green Zone.

The rich haven't even begun to find out yet. And they sent the working class for a 20 year premier education in asymmetric warfare. This is why some of us are so pissed at them. We're going to be living in the next Afghanistan if they don't take their boot off the neck of the working class.

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[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 11 points 1 week ago

That comfort will quickly slip away as society starts to crumble.

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Can't have kids. Can't have property. Nothing to loose than a comfortable meaningless life.

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 44 points 1 week ago (2 children)

one can hope.

im not holdin my breath though. even luigi there wasnt one of those stuck at the bottom with nowhere to go but violence. hes a little rich kid that acted out of conscience.

a better example is that kid that nearly saved us another trump administration by inches, but it hasnt exactly been a trend.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 40 points 1 week ago

He acted out of pain. Literally.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Or just rich people getting stronger and ever more lethal security teams...

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We still out number them by hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, to one.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There are 2781 billionaires in the world. I say we eat them.

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[–] SaberKazd@sopuli.xyz 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

If I learned something over the years, is that people are FUCKING STUPID, as in no matter how vile, greedy, treacherous pieces of shit are the candidates, they will always vote for the same person because they truly believe that they're doing the right thing. And no matter how much proof or information you give them, they will delude themselves that you're trying to trick them with propaganda.

At the end, I simply gave up on the idea of people not being brainless pieces of meat.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think you're right but incomplete. There are idiots who vote for the same people no matter what, and there are idiots who place their lofty principles above getting results - in this case refusing to vote and blaming the Democratic Party for not supplying good enough options to click on - that's their reason Trump got back into office, not because all they personally did was bitch and moan online and stick their hands in their pockets when they could have stopped him. There are people dumb enough to delude themselves that way.

[–] AmosBurton_ThatGuy@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don't underestimate the amount of people that vote strictly based off culture war bullshit as well. I'm Canadian and I see a lot of working class people that happily vote for the cons to fight "wokeness" and "dei" because god forbid non white/straight people exist. Seen lots of comments complaining about how white people are "villainized" etc in my local sub (yes I still use reddit for niche stuff that isn't here) and tons of dog whistles about minorities, especially us indigenous people.

As long as they target people they don't like, an unfortunate amount of people will happily vote against their own interest just in the hope of making "the wrong people" have a shittier life.

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[–] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

The rich already control the narrative and peoples mind. They effectively got whole nations to vote against their own interests. They are absolutely fine. This is copium.

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 22 points 1 week ago

Letting them get this far will be a painful lesson for us.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago

We all need more Luigi.

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They barely mix with us, peasants. They will probably follow this trend and live in inexpugnable, extremely well defended citadels. Apartheid, in a word.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

I work in the municipal office of a tiny city that's an enclave for the super rich. We're entirely surrounded by a major city, but we're a different jurisdiction.

Of course, I don't get to live there. Literally every resident is a millionaire or better. The average new house being built there is about 8 million dollars, and we have a lot of housing churn.

That is, people will buy a 5 million dollar house and tear it down to build a 12 million dollar house.

All that to say that I interact with these people all the time. They almost invariably don't realize how out of touch they are, because their neighbors are also millionaires.

You'd think it's a super nice city, but other than the houses it's fairly run down. They don't want good roads or sidewalks because then people would use them. The city was essentially founded to prevent bus lines from the major city from having stops near the fancy district.

Over half the municipal employees are cops, and their main job is keeping homeless people away.

All this work goes into isolating the rich from the poor, and it's worked so well that most of the rich don't even realize it's happening.

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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

I hope so. I really really hope so. If not, then we're headed for an incredibly terrible future of the kind that used to exist in dystopian fiction.

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[–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So....what you going to do about it?

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm having a meeting this week to decide what we do next.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

Educate, agitate, organize

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

And they will probably try out of fear to take Americans' guns, which is going to be hilarifying

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It really pisses me off that we find ourselves here again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oKZgXvpm0c&t=263s. (its the Canada asylum scene from handmaid's tale)

because of the DNC's corrupt desire to game the electoral system to maximize for the most funding -- dirty or not-- rather than whats good for society. Pelosi's corruption as evidenced by her getting FILTHY rich off insider trading is not a one-off, its systematic and formalized at every leadership level of the party (Exactly the same as it is in the rethuglican party). As is enabling AIPAC's genocide and land theft, against the wishes of the majority of Democratic party voters.

People need to choose now: fund and enable Progressivism and join the "woke dirty hippies" or more of the same traitorous "woopsie" failure from centrism, and Putin and Netenyahus hands crushing whats left of this country. People may not even have a chance to exercise this choice, much less another after this one-- so the last minute to save ourselves has arrived, if not passed.

Time to choose. Supporting a third party (or a much more progressive dem party where we toss the centrist leadership to the curb) needs to start now, not in 3 and a half years.

[–] LePoisson@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Aww cute you think that a 3rd party would ever be viable on a national level at this point.

This is why we need to change our election laws though for real so we can vote for who we want without taking votes from the most likely winner or other acceptable candidate.

I'd rather have a parliamentary system to be honest, the way congress works and electing our reps directly vs voting for parties just lends itself to the two party problem and that's not stopping anytime soon by the looks of it.

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[–] too_much_too_soon@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Let them eat cake.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I want to believe that the working class will finally take back its power, the first step of which will be forming strong and effective unions. The second step is ensuring high taxes on the wealthy, coupled with accountability for how that tax revenue is spent

But I look at all the previous decades of failure, and I recommend that young people in particular should make alternative plans in case they have to fend in a hostile social, political and economic environments

1—do nothing else but learn some skill or trade (or several) which you can use to get paid

2—don’t excessively drink, don’t excessively do drugs, don’t excessively sleep around, and get and stay fit

3—create a network of friends and family, but don’t stress if you cannot. Get a hobby, try to get married, but don’t stress if you don’t. Cut out toxic people and family from your life

4—do whatever else you care about if you’ve done the above

Conventional wisdom still helps, don’t be fooled by people who say that it doesn’t work

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[–] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

You mean like every decade before now? They just used to be able to explain it away to themselves by imagining the rest of the population was just stupid and foolish, because they kept to themselves behind the walls of their daycares, surrounded by yes men.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 week ago

Who is we ? are you not bearing witness to the fawning obsiquisness ?

This disposition to admire, and almost to worship, the rich and the powerful, and to despise, or, at least, to neglect persons of poor and mean condition, though necessary both to establish and to maintain the distinction of ranks and the order of society, is, at the same time, the great and most universal cause of the corruption of our moral sentiments - Adam Smith

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree with you about sentiment. Idk if actions will be taken but I feel like the CEO shooting did set a certain tone.

Now the question is, will that create further escalating tension or would it be repackage and sold to us as a media trope to show us that “hey, some oligarchs aren’t that bad.”

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

No, it isn't.

This was one pissed-off kid out of 330,000,000 who are being purposefully kept in poverty, and nothing fundamental will change as long as 99% of voters are only going to pick a candidate based on team color.

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