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[-] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm glad that he got caught, but also wonder what could have been done to prevent this from happening in the first place. Under what circumstances was he able to assault the girls without anybody noticing immediately? What new rules are going to be enacted to ensure this can't happen again?

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A 14-year-old boy was charged in connection with the alleged sexual assaults of two young girls at a Toronto summer camp in July, Toronto police say.

The boy was enrolled in a leadership training program at a camp called Jack of Sports from July 17 to July 21, police said in a news release Tuesday.

The camp was held at Western Technical Commercial School.

Investigators allege that during this time, he repeatedly sexually assaulted two six-year-old girls.

He cannot be named under the Youth Criminal Justice Act.

Anyone with information is asked to contact police or leave an anonymous tip with Crime Stoppers.


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[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Kid can't read and thought it said Jack off sports

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

This "can't be named" rule really doesn't help the unknown victims, does it?

[-] SlikPikker@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

The assailant is a minor who also should remain assumed innocent until guilt is proven.

This is the cost of protecting minors charged with crimes.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

I get that we should protect the innocent, but it needs to be balanced in favour of other victims when it comes to with such serious crimes.

We issue names of adult accused rapists before they've seen their day in court, and we do so because other victims often do come forward.

Just earlier this year, a restaurant owner in Whitby was accused of sexual assault. "Investigators want to ensure there are no further victims", so they released his name and something like 10 other victims came forward. That's just how it is with sexual assault. It's never just the one victim.

[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

I would assume the victims know more details than the public

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

That's not what I mean.

For instance, it's hard enough for victims to come forward after a sexual assault if they feel isolated or "the only one" who experienced it. As a kid, it's extremely difficult.

However, if a victim hears that their attacker has done this to other people who have come forward, it might give them the courage to also come forward. We hear this all the time when serial rapists are called out by sometimes dozens of victims after their name is published.

If the attacker is unknown, they might simply get away with those unreported assaults.

This perp might have molested neighbourhood kids, and you'd never know to ask your child if anything inappropriate happened if they remain anonymous.

Withholding the name of an attacker only serves to protect the attacker, not the victims.

[-] LostWon@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They give the age of the boy, a specific date range, and the specific camp and physical location. Hopefully that is both enough for victims to identify the boy and to protect their own privacy from the general public.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

"The boy was enrolled in a leadership training program"

I will assume that there are a lot of boys in the same age group, who trained at the same place and time, as this one.

Give a name so at least any other kids this boy may have come in contact with outside this camp can make the connection.

[-] LostWon@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

I would hope that anyone in potentially vulnerable placements around this kid should have had their program facilitators informed and then accordingly, the facilitators would be bound to notify all parents/guardians directly. Isn't that the bare minimum, to contact the families of anyone who might have been alone with the boy directly in such a case? If the first families hear about this is through the media, is that not a horrific failure of communication?

There may be need for exceptions sometimes, but I still don't see that being the case here. Callously broadcasting such information can easily lead to gossip/rumours that can harm victims &/or everyone around the kid that had nothing to do with the matter.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

I would hope that anyone in potentially vulnerable placements around this kid should have had their program facilitators informed and then accordingly, the facilitators would be bound to notify all parents/guardians directly.

I would agree to this for sure. But we have to keep in mind that sexual predators don't just victimize in one area. He could have been in contact with young kids at school, at a friends house, at the local playground, etc. You can't possibly know who to notify, especially if you keep his identity a secret.

Even more concerning is that if he's prosecuted as a young offender, he'll get minimal jail time and likely nobody will ever know that he's a sexual predator after he turns 18.

Perhaps when he's convicted, they'll lift the ban on anonymity. I'm certain the victims and their family won't keep it a secret anyway.

[-] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And what if the accused minor is innocent? Not saying that is the case here, I know nothing about it, but in general errors do occur sometimes and we can't burden an innocent person with the massive stigma of being accused of sexually abusing children.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

There needs to be balance, obviously. If police are certain enough that there are more victims, age shouldn't matter.

Whatever code of conduct applies to other cases where the name of the accused has been released should be exercised here.

Being a minor doesn't excuse the seriousness of the crime, and when the potential for other victims to come forward exists, the justice system needs to accommodate them, not the accused.

[-] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

...and what if he is innocent? Seriously consider that possibility. The police doesn't know at this point, and neither do we. The mere association of his name with that crime can ruin his life even if he was completely innocent. And btw I agree the age of the accused should not matter.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Then I would say to have enough of an investigation to warrant publishing his name. Enough reason to believe that the victim is telling the truth and that more would come forward.

My concern is that once a lengthy trial process starts, it's harder to find justice for other victims. It's far better to have one trial for all cases, than separate trials just strung along (if that would even happen).

[-] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

You make very valid points and I think we agree that there needs to be a balance or compromise that is never going to maximize the ability of the victims to obtain justice and at the same time also maximize the protection of innocent defendants. There will always have this tension between these two goals.

[-] iegod@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not a fan of individual protection trumping that of the greater public. Where it can be reasonably identified by other means is the right approach first, but if that's insufficient there should be exceptions.

[-] uymai@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
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