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In a conversation with Mike Solan, the head of the Seattle Police Officers’ Guild, Seattle Police Department officer and SPOG vice president Daniel Auderer minimized the killing of 23-year-old student Jaahnavi Kandula by police officer Kevin Dave and joked that she had “limited value” as a “regular person” who was only 26 years old.

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In fact, as we reported exclusively, Dave was driving 74 miles an hour in a 25 mile per hour zone and struck Kandula while she was attempting to cross the street in a marked and well-lighted crosswalk.

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[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 213 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

Seattle PD is fucking garbage.

  • They threw a bitch fit when the citizens got pissed they were tear gassing random people (including children) who were walking on the sidewalk and had nothing to do with the George Floyd protests or CHOP.

  • They were under federal observation for over a decade because they were responsible for multiple questionable deaths.

  • A ton of the force quit because they didn't want to get vaccinated during COVID.

  • Recently they had a Trump flag with a Nazi symbol on it in one of their breakrooms that nobody took down.

The list goes on and on. They need to dissolve the police union in Seattle entirely, and set a precedent. I'm not anti-police, but I am over their whiney bullshit and completely unethical behavior. Seriously, fuck Seattle PD.

[–] Tujio@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Seattle PD is and has always been terrible. For a city with as little violent crime as we are, you would think that we would have a semi-competant police force. We aren't Baltimore or Chicago or Memphis. We don't need a violent, antagonistic, adversarial police force. Yet decade after decade, Seattle PD shows themselves to be the worst of the worst of violent white nationalists.

SPD's training standards are embarrassingly low. SPD's staffing numbers are embarrassing low. Rookie cops make over $100k and the right-wing pundits say it's not enough, while first-year teachers make $55k and the right-wing pundits say it's too much. They blame the BLM riots and say that the city betrayed them, but the average person here had absolutely zero faith in them well before the riots. Most SPD officers don't actually live in Seattle.

Sorry if the second paragraph got a bit into unhinged-rant territory, but shit like this is infuriating. SPD is so clearly shit and needs to be purged.

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's partly because of how they're trained, Killology, and partly because these are people policing us from outside of Seattle.

If you live in the Seattle area, you surely know that a lot of people who don't live in the metro area really resent Seattlites. They're not really clear about why. I guess for being progressive.

Not much of the police force lives in the city proper. So we're being policed by outsiders who dislike us to begin with.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

They also advertised in NY for recruits in the aughts.

[–] SoylentBlake@lemm.ee 33 points 1 year ago

State senators make $60k/yr.

Over 50 SPD cops last year made over $250,000

We aren't getting what we're paying for.

Dissolve and restart the force using a different psych profile and ban the one currently used.

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[–] Drusas@kbin.social 58 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You forgot about the part where they don't respond to calls. Just a couple of days ago, a man was found dead at 10:00 a.m. The sound of shots fired had been reported at 3:00 a.m., but the police decided not to respond to that call.

[–] frickineh@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A friend's son was stabbed multiple times last year and they did nothing. He knew the guy's name, or at least an alias, and had a picture because the guy had contacted him on social media to buy something, which is why they were meeting in the first place, and SPD was like, "wow that's a bummer, I guess we could maybe arrest the guy if one of our officers happens to trip over him during their daily rounds of doing jack shit, but we're not gonna actually look for him." Apparently attempted murder with a side of robbery doesn't warrant them removing their thumbs from their asses to do the bare minimum of investigation.

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

Wow, that's horrible. Not surprising here, but still horrible.

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[–] Aloha_Alaska@lemmy.world 113 points 1 year ago (5 children)

“No, it’s a regular person.”

I’m speechless. I know the training draws a line between the police and everyone else, but for it to be right there in print, from someone high up the hierarchy…I’m stunned that they could be so callous with a life.

It really is “us versus them,” isn’t it?

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[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 89 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Why do cops have the power to just routinely turn off their body cams?

That should be limited to using the bathroom. If it gets turned off during regular duty, it should be presumed to mean something is being covered up because that is exactly what it means. There should be paperwork triggered every time it is turned off.

[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 85 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They shouldn't be able to turn it off ever, for any reason. If there is a privacy issue it needs to be dealt with administratively, and not at the discretion of individual officers. If they can turn it off then it defeats the entire purpose of wearing them in the first place in my opinion.

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[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

they impose invasive drug tests on people [as an extremely minor, parallel example], they don't deserve a fucking bit of privacy

[–] Gilles_D@feddit.de 14 points 1 year ago

If you would allow that bathroom exception they would be pissing on corpses

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 82 points 1 year ago (3 children)

How the fuck do you say that a human life has "Limited Value", and then not immediately have a "Are we the baddies?" moment

[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How the fuck do you say that a human life has “Limited Value”, and then not immediately have a “Are we the baddies?” moment

It's what happens when your humanity has been trained out of you.

[–] MyNameIsIgglePiggle@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also in this case I suspect racism

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[–] WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago

In order to be a baddie, you generally need to be super self-righteous. Cops are always self-righteous.

[–] Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 year ago

Seattle Police have known they are the baddies for a long time and it's why they sign up for the job.

[–] TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works 81 points 1 year ago (5 children)

How is it police unions seemingly have more power than any other union? The writers are striking and that's barely doing anything for them but the pigs? They just have to bat an eyelash and get what they want...

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Because regular unions are there to safeguard the worker's rights against abuse from employers.

Police unions are there to safeguard cops from facing discipline for murdering people.

[–] Mostly_Gristle@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Plus they don't send the Pinkertons to bash people's skulls in when it's cops on the picket line.

And let's not forget that law enforcement has been the primary tool of unionbusting from day 1.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago

Because they’re class traitors that enforce the rules of the status quo.

[–] CouldntCareBear@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're massive for a start. Police have something like 60% Union membership. Compare that IT and service industries which are in the area of 3-6%. That gives them serious clout for lobbying legislation and anything else.

Unions are effective. Sadly this one i just happens to be working for a rotten gang.

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[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 75 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Mike Solan purposely put his address as the east precinct so that he could vote in that district. He does not live in Seattle. That is a felony. The SPD willingly vote for a felon to head their union.

I fucking hate SPOG.

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[–] Cheers@sh.itjust.works 63 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Give the guy that reported the conversation the raise of the guy(s) that were involved and didn't report it. Also fire them. Reward the good behavior, punish the bad and we'll stop saying ACAB.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Typical cop evil. I expect that "just a regular person" translates to "not somebody important enough to actually pose a legal threat." That is, not a cop, reporter, politician, celebrity, etc.

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[–] Drusas@kbin.social 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Seattle PD has been under a consent decree for the last decade for over-use of force and racist practices. The decree is about to end (and the PD is petitioning to end it early), and the problem has not improved. It's gotten worse.

There's all this talk here (I'm a Seattleite) of how the police are trying to regain trust or are frustrated at the lack of trust, but they don't take accountability for their actions.

10% of all homicides in Seattle are committed by the police. They don't show up when you report a shooting.

I wonder why we don't trust them.

https://www.theurbanist.org/2023/09/08/op-ed-walking-away-from-the-empty-promise-of-seattles-consent-decree/

https://komonews.com/news/local/north-seattle-suspicious-death-investigation-person-found-near-encampment-police-homicide-detectives-crime-murder-40th-street-4th-ave-motive-cause-of-death-shooting-stabbing-dead-victim-suspect#

[–] idiomaddict@feddit.de 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m sorry, ten percent??????? That’s insane. How the fuck has it not been dismantled?

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

That's (partly) why they got put under consent decree a decade ago! But somehow, it's ending even though they haven't improved.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 52 points 1 year ago (6 children)

In the video, taken in the early morning after Dave hit Kandula in a crosswalk while speeding to respond to a call from a man who believed he had taken too much cocaine, Auderer says he has talked to Dave and he is “good,” adding that ” it does not seem like there’s a criminal investigation going on” because Dave was “going 50 [mph]—that’s not out of control” and because Kandula may not have even been in a crosswalk. Auderer added that Dave had “lights and sirens” on, which video confirmed was not true.

In fact, as we reported exclusively, Dave was driving 74 miles an hour in a 25 mile per hour zone and struck Kandula while she was attempting to cross the street in a marked and well-lighted crosswalk.

[–] kmkz_ninja@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Jail or worse, immediately.

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[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 50 points 1 year ago

What a great idea to staff your peacekeeping force exclusively with narcissists and sociopaths.

[–] mrgoodc4t@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Omg reading the whole article is so much worse

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[–] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

If you want get really mad and/or have a reddit account you want banned, just check r/protectandserve.

They're lamenting how bad this makes them look, and how this will make policing harder.

There are some who are even agreeing with the officer, about how these "remarks" shouldn't get him fired.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

99% of cops make the rest look bad.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

It looks bad because it is bad. Unfortunately it's just par for the course and nothing will change, because we live in hell.

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[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

Ghoulish.

Reducing the 'value' of a life to monetary terms just means it's legal to kill them if you have the money.

Also, that shit should be disqualifying in people supposedly sworn to uphold the law

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Can't expect anything different from the police when both major parties will do nothing meaningful to hold them accountable. You want change? You have to vote for it.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

o yea, lets choose between geriatric fascism or decrepid neoliberalism that oughtta change eveything

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[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago

Every fucking cop is a fucking monster.

[–] RobertOwnageJunior@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (40 children)

We all have to sit back and let cops do this because they have the power and the military-grade weaponry. What the fuck can we do to stop them?

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[–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (33 children)

We don't need cops. The owner class needs cops. That's why nothing will ever be done about their behavior, they aren't for us.

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[–] tallwookie@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

reprehensible...

[–] dipshit@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

All cops are bastards.

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