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  • Swedish Minister wants to deport migrants who do not hold Swedish citizenship if they show support to terrorist groups.
  • The spokesperson for migration policy in Sweden wants the law to be even more stringent - to include anyone who shows such acts of support.
  • Tourists, citizens, and residence permit holders can all be affected by such changes.
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[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 98 points 1 week ago (2 children)

...and let me guess. Critizing Israel's actions is tacit support of Hezbollah?

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 61 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Sweden up until recently had freedom of organization protected in the constitution. This was changed in a recent constitutional amendment at the request of Turkey, as a prerequisite to join NATO. Turkey demanded that Sweden arrest "PKK members" (aka journalists that Erdogan doesn't like), and to show support, both the Andersson and Kristersson administrations revived a constitutional amendment from 2021 and pushed it through, making it illegal to be a member of a terrorist organization.

https://www.regeringen.se/rattsliga-dokument/statens-offentliga-utredningar/2021/03/sou-202115/

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2022/6/pdf/220628-trilat-memo.pdf

https://lagen.nu/2022:666

It's really an unfortunate development, since the terms "terrorist organization" and "support to terrorism" is so poorly defined, and it's clearly intended to punish political opposition in dictatorships, like Turkish and Kurdish opposition in Turkey. Very much a chilling effect on political discussion when foreign political oppositions are banned from speaking in Sweden, even when racist hate groups are still allowed to speak.

It does seem that the current law is still quite limited, at least. The Terrorist crime law of 2022 (Terroristbrottslagen) outlaws support, propagandizing, and recruiting for terrorist organizations, but this seems to be limited to only material support, organized propaganda and organization leadership. Simply going around waving a PKK flag still is legal, for now.

https://www.ui.se/utrikesmagasinet/analyser/2023/juli/terrorlagar-domstolar-far-bedoma-flaggviftning/

So luckily, I don't think it's possible to be deported simply for expressing expressing pro-Kurdish or pro-Palestinian independence ideas, or even expressing support for the violent people in PKK or Hamas.

Johan Forssell has also expressed a wish for a new law making it illegal to be in a criminal gang, but this has not passed yet. His view on the ongoing wars with Israel seems to be that Israel "has a right to defend itself", but that civilians must be protected and receive aid.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 16 points 1 week ago

Close. It makes you a Hamas headquarters.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Hope nobody here supports Nelson Mandela.

[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Best deport all Swedish politicians in parliament in 1990: https://archive.nelsonmandela.org/index.php/za-com-mr-s-24 And the party that this minister is in was against supporting the ANC and Mandela. So I would not be surprised if this argument won't move him.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It doesn't matter where in the world you are, the issue with forcibly deporting people is always the same: what do you do if the country you want to deport them to refuses to take them?

And the only answers I can see are let them go free in your country or keep them locked up indefinitely.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And it's kind if shitty to try to just throw the problem at another country.

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[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

That is true. The swedish government is pushing quite hard to overfill prisons, probably in a long term plan to force it towards privatization. So I would not be surprised if it is even part of the plan.

But, also, I think one strategy suggested is just paying them. Threaten with prison, see at what price they break.

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[–] Name@feddit.nu 15 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The law proposal doesn't affect citizens (according to the government). So it's a law specifically meant to be unequal.

Citizen? Cheer for terrorists all you want! It's your right!

Non-citizen? Deportion.

[–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Where would Swedish government deport native Swedish citizens to? Ohio?

[–] Name@feddit.nu 2 points 1 week ago

Depends on your heritage I guess. 🤷 It comes up in the news now and then where children get deported to a country they have never been to, have no connection to and doesn't speak the language.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (19 children)

This sounds very unconstitutional? It does say "everyone" so the principle of equality under the law should apply. Right???

EDIT, aw fuck:

Non-Swedish citizens and non-Swedish legal persons Art. 3. For those who are not Swedish citizens or Swedish legal persons, special restrictions may be laid down in law in respect of freedom of expression under this Fundamental Law.

Well that sounds horrible. Sweden, do better.

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[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

They also want to deport for "bristande vandel", "bad behavior/way of living", which this probably will fall under. In their examples of what constitutes "bristande vandel" one is: being a victim of a crime. Robbed? Deportation. Raped? Deportation.

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I mean if I'm at home I can fart anytime I want and put my feet on the table, if I'm a guest I would not do such things, that's not inequality.

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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 13 points 1 week ago

Is the BDS movement classified as a terrorist organisation? What about ANTIFA?

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

The same minister probably:

That party who are against me, I'd call them terrorists!

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And yet Israel supporters will be fine.

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 1 week ago

It aint a genocide when the lords "chosen" people do on "their" land.

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 5 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Wtf is going on sweden?

How big of an issue can this be lol

Did all "terrorist" just moved there for some reason?

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

The Sweden Democrats, once an openly Nazi but now a "not Nazis we promise" party are in the government. Like all "not Nazis" they spend most of their time looking for nebulous reasons to remove foreigners from the country.

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[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago

Yes, anyone who supports Israel should be deported to The Hague.

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Good, immigrants who support terrorism don’t belong in Sweden or any other Western country.

Send them back and let them live with the organization they support.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Yeah, this suuuurely won't be used to silence pro-Palestine protestors.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Because what we've found is governments are so good at determining who is right in a particular conflict.

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[–] Name@feddit.nu 4 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The issue here is citizens are still allowed to support terrorist organisations since it's part of free opininon and free speech. So it's a discriminatory law, which is against the principle of rule of law and equality before the law.

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