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[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

While this is nice, I do not really see any places where one can now cross the street?
Some cut-outs for pedestrians would probably be helpful for people who need to access a building on the other side.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 76 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Rue du Dr Paquelin was pedestrianized so crosswalks aren't really needed.

It's a very small street.

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I don't mean crosswalks, I mean places where people can cut through the greenery to get to the "road".
As it stands now I don't see a way for people to actually get to the other side of the street.

Maybe they exist, but I don't see them in the picture..

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh, I see what you mean. You're right, if there's a path through the bushes it's not obvious.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 week ago

I think you see the start of a path halfway down the road on both sides

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You mean like access front doors of buildings? It looks like they block everything.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I think the old sidewalks are still there on the other side of the bushes. There is certainly space for them.

Maybe they should have just treed the middle of the road and left the outside free for movement?

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[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah. I'd do more little islands instead, which would also give space for other stuff, like benches or other seating areas, bike racks, etc.

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Move the road over to one side, and give double space for greenery on the other side.
Then you can add benches, playgrounds, etc.

Still.. As it currently stands it is an improvement over what came before

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Definitely agreed. Strictly better than cars, but there has to be something we're missing here, else this is a huuuge pain in the ass for literally no reason.

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[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I keep seeing photos of urban renovation in countries other than my own and marveling at the fact that even the "before" photo looks better than most streets in my city.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Over 20 years ago I moved from my native Portugal to The Netherlands.

Then over time I've moved backwards in this - in the sense of moving to countries with progressivelly worse urban planning and increasing pro-vehicle mindsets - first to Britain, then back to Portugal.

It's pretty infuriating when you actually know first hand how it feels to live in a place that doesn't put cars uber alles and are now living in one where its painfully obvious in everything from urban planning to how drivers tend to break mostly the rules that are there to protect pedestrians, that you're in a society which at least in this has a mindset from 40 years ago.

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago

You don't even need to go live somewhere else; just visit.

I'm from Canada and went back to visit Germany and Belgium a few months ago. I already went to Germany and the Netherlands a few years ago and just used the trains. I had no fixed itinerary and was deciding where to go a day in advance before buying a train ticket to go there. It was obviously fine (most of the time) but because of how trains "work" here, I was anxious about buying tickets a day in advance, thinking it was "last minute".

Then while I was in Belgium I had to plan a train ride in Canada a week later, and there was no affordable tickets left. I was sitting in Liège, and just bought a train ticket to Bruxelles that was departing in the next hour... while trying to book a train a week in advance in Canada, and failing to do so.

Every time I have to use a train in Canada, or just any kind or intercity service, even a coach, I'm painfully reminded of how bad it is here.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This is Haussmannien architecture, it looks pretty and unfiform because the prefect of Napoleon III in the 19th century got the permission to destroy most of the shitty medieval districts with poor people inside and build good looking housing with modern accomodations for rich people instead. That's largely why Paris is pretty today.

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[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wanna punch the voice that says "but won't the homeless sleep in the bushes?"

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[–] moonbunny@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (7 children)

This looks great, but I feel like the trees might become a problem to the adjacent buildings when they mature, unless they’re the type of trees that only grow tall and skinny?

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

I have similar trees in front of my apartment building and I love them, they make me feel like I'm living in a tree house in the summer.

[–] pseudo@jlai.lu 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Not every tree essence grows as much as oak. I know some linden trees, older than I am, that were pruned properly one or twice a year and have kept a manageable size. I think hackberry tree don't get much thick with time and there essences of tree that are chosen to be put in the street because they don't grow that much in European climate.

[–] Isoprenoid@programming.dev 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It took two years to do the transformation. Do you think it'll be difficult to do another transformation when the time comes?

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nobody wants to cut down trees once they've grown.

[–] Isoprenoid@programming.dev 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Dude, there are whole industries based on cutting down trees once they have grown.

What are you smoking? ... can I have some?

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Cities don't want to pay for that. No one is backing logging equipment down a Paris side street.

But yeah, it's not an issue. I'm sure people planted trees knowing they get bigger. Lemmings just like to point to obvious issues as if no one thought about them.

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[–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

You should get a prescription, it will do wonders to your humour.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Street trees are trimmed regularly in France when it's needed. People enjoy to see the green and the added privacy when it reaches their windows.

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can’t you cut trees to make them grow tall and skinny?

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[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Letting cars into cities was a mistake from the beginning. Cars should be required to park on parking lots or garages at the edge of the city. The only large motorized vehicles allowed within cities should be trains, buses driven by professional drivers, and delivery vehicles limited by governors to the speed of a bicycle. The only forms of motorized personal transit allowed should be e-bikes and scooters that can travel no faster than a human-powered bicycle is capable of traveling. Cars should be used only for getting between towns and cities, not for traveling within them.

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

How does one get off the sidewalk?

[–] casmael@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago

In the usual way trot trot

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago
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[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In the bottom photo I kept scanning for Will Smith and his german shepherd

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

He couldn’t be in the photo because he was too busy taking his underaged son to P Diddy’s sex parties.

[–] sam@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago

This genuinely made my day

[–] unphazed@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

If you've ever read Mistborn one of my fav things in that book is that all trees have to be fruiting trees in cities, so that cities naturally produce food in case needed. I always liked that idea.

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