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Privacy advocates got access to Locate X, a phone tracking tool which multiple U.S. agencies have bought access to, and showed me and other journalists exactly what it was capable of. Tracking a phone from one state to another to an abortion clinic. Multiple places of worship. A school. Following a likely juror to a residence. And all of this tracking is possible without a warrant, and instead just a few clicks of a mouse.

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[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 277 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

This should be illegal. There is absolutely no good reason this should be available to anybody. It should also be considered unconstitutional; if one of those dots is a person, whether you directly know who the person is or not, it should violate the right to privacy and the right of illegal search and seizure — no questions asked.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 110 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

You are right. And you're fighting against the credit reporting agencies and google, facebook, apple, and all car manufacturers for privacy rights.

This is the result of jurists and legislators who don't understand a single goddamned thing about computers in 2024. For fuck's sake it's been thirty goddamned years since this was obviously going to happen. Take a class, you bastards! Those of you who aren't Heritage Foundation fascists.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 57 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

It's not getting better either: https://futurism.com/the-byte/gen-z-kids-file-systems

There seems to have been a short window of maybe two decades in the 80s and 90s when computers and the Internet were becoming household staples where almost everyone who grew up in that time period knows what's up, while everyone who didn't is way more ignorant. The older folks are lost because they didn't grow up with computers. The younger kids are lost because they were born into a world of advanced UIs, "plug and play", and software that heavily obfuscates the nitty gritty details of how it works.

Being forced to run command line installers, edit config.sys files, set DIP switches correctly for your front side bus speed and messing with IRQ settings for your sound card and such just to play a computer game will definitely teach you a thing or two. My family's PC came with not only an instruction manual, but an entire language reference for the built in GW-Basic interpreter. Nowadays, you get a laptop with a small pamphlet showing you how to plug it in and turn it on.

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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Search and seizure, the Fourth Amendment, only applies to State actors. The only exception is when a private entity is acting as an agent of the government, such as in the case of private prisons.

Congress needs to pass consumer protection laws aimed at privacy in the digital age. They haven't updated this sort of thing I believe since 1996. It used to be legal for adult video stores to disclose the tapes people rented, but Congress passed a privacy law forbidding it when some journalists disclosed some of their rentals. The scandal had some cool name. I forgot what.

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[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (6 children)

The solution is to subscribe to these services. Then create a website that offers real-time tracking information, freely to the public, of the most wealthy and powerful people in the country. Every Congressperson should have their location shown freely available to all in real time. You could call it "wheresmyrep.org" or similar. Literally all of them tracked like animals in real time, freely shown for any and all to see. Let them live in the fish bowl they've created for us all.

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 109 points 1 week ago (7 children)

It drives me nuts how our economic system is making not having a cell phone increasingly difficult. Many necessary things won't even work on a tablet. The smartphone is the most amazing futuristic device I dreamed about that has evolved into a distopian nightmare.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (7 children)

It drives me nuts how our economic system is making not having a cell phone increasingly difficult.

that's by design. why you do you think the US government allows corporate interests to take such a high position above American citizens? it's not just only because of corruption, it's because one hand washes the other.

The smartphone is the most amazing futuristic device I dreamed about that has evolved into a distopian nightmare.

like all technology, it can be used in ways that you cannot even imagine.

instead of blocking advertising data, we should embrace it IMO.

imagine a world where users shove so much information at these tools that they can't even tell what's real or not. camouflage works better when everyone participates.

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 97 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Start tracking politician phones. Oh look who paid a visit to the lobbyist house this week! That shit will get shut down real quick.

[–] bamfic@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago
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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 89 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

"I got nothing to hide. I'm a boring person" dumbass mfers

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 54 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I got nothing to hide.

I'm willing to bet that they have curtains on their bedroom window...

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm willing to bet they lock their doors

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[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 38 points 1 week ago

"Got nothing to hide" - Man wearing pants

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

"why don't you take your clothes off, then? You said you 'have nothing to hide', didn't you?"

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[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 57 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is nothing new. Did we already forget about the Snowden leaks?

[–] actually@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The leaks that 2% of the population got very excited about for a while, but try not to think much about? The leaks judged by many on the reputation of an obscure man living in Russia? Those leaks?

I trust my government and not things only nerds understand. Also they sound weird and made up and very scary ( said most of the people)

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[–] egrets@lemmy.world 50 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The EFF have a bit more general information about location data brokers. Well worth a read.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 24 points 2 weeks ago

God I hate data brokers. Rats! All of them, vermin contributing nothing of value to society.

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (4 children)

How is this not a warrantless search?

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It is, but the USA hasn't cared since Snowden.

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[–] Negligent_Embassy@links.hackliberty.org 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's the issue with the patriot act, they've been allowed to do warrantless searches for a long time now.

FISA court if they run into any friction

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[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

As people get ready to vote here in the US, one issue I haven't even heard brought up is the lack of privacy regulations in the US. Do most people not care if the person they're voting for is fine with every corporation selling and sharing personal data?

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Our electoral system results in a choice between two candidates, and both are fine with it.

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[–] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 week ago (22 children)

a device that constantly connects to antennas all over the place, is used to track your location.

who would have thought?

if you dont wanna get tracked - dont bring your phone.

[–] wrekone@lemmyf.uk 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you don't want to be tracked illegally, don't bring your phone.

If you don't want any to be tracked legally, write/call/tweet/visit your representatives.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Also just write your Supreme Court and ask them how this isn’t a flagrant violation of the intent of the fourth amendment. Seriously the founding fathers would be asking what the fuck about this. They weren’t good people but they would’ve been privacy nuts.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

if you're talking about the supreme court, as in the SCOTUS, they're long past pretending they give the slightest fuck about the bill of rights.

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (24 children)

Or, you know, let the gov work for you, not against you, & fully expect people to get jailed if they track you.

It's a matter of perspective what the minimum standard should be.

Especially when a personal device like a phone is basically necessary for a normal life and even public services.

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[–] capital@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago (23 children)

Don't bring your phone.

Get a burner and set up call forwarding.

[–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

burner goes from your house, to abortion clinic, to your office, back to your house

Hmm, must be someone else, I don't recognize this number

-The Government

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[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Archive: https://archive.ph/bSrZR

tl;dr: It's basically a MAID attack, along with the usual suspects of social media, navigation, and weather apps.

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

this combined with the whole "your pager/phone is now a bomb" texture that the IDF decided to add into the mix should make for interesting times.

soon you will be the drone.

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[–] fubarx@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Apple and Google can fix the problem. Apps are required to ask for permission to access location information. Most of the time, it's for tracking and analytics, not anything related to the app's functionality. That's the data that is leaking to these data brokers.

In those cases, if asked, user can say no, but apps keep haranguing you until you capitulate.

Instead, the OS could add a button that says: "Yes, but randomize." After that, location data is returned as normal, but from totally random locations nearby. They could even spoof the data clustering algorithms and just pick some rando location and keep showing returns to them, or just trade the data from one random phone for another every N days.

You do this enough and the data will become polluted enough to become useless.

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[–] Waldowal@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Some additional info based on their published material (screenshot below). The software gets its data from "publicly available sources" which includes tracking information from many different online advertisers, public social media posts, etc. As we know, the advertising data can sometimes have your personal info attached - sometimes not. Babel Street claims to anonymize the data, but let's assume there is a $$ amount at which they won't.

So, theoretically, if you can successfully avoid ad trackers, and you don't post on social media platforms except where you want to be "seen", you can avoid this tracking (granted that seems quite impossible these days).

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[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago

Time for an alternative means of communication

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