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[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 96 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

it's close because racism, jeebus, and guns. it seems like it should be more than that, but it isn't. broke uneducated GOP voters literally don't care about anything except for some combination of the above 3 things, because that's what the 1% propaganda machine told them to do

[–] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 38 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

the gayz in there too 🥴

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 37 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Gay panic is passe, it's trans panic now.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Gay trans furry fascist communist Muslim atheists. Somehow the paradoxical bogeyman keeps folding in new and contradictory traits.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And the Dems will have very little affect (if any) on anyone’s jebus or guns. So it’s really just the racism that’s the distinguishing factor.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Dems will have very little affect (if any) on anyone’s jebus or guns

and yet the bleating of "they're trying to take yer gunnnnnnns" and "war on christmas/christianity" never ever fucking stops

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It’s insane.

And it’s far more likely that if the GOP had total control, they’d institute a national religion (good luck having your flavor picked for that one) and that they’d take away all the guns to protect their power (since there is clearly nothing they’d avoid doing if it meant getting/keeping power).

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[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

The guns thing. There is a rather large swath of rural, liberal gun owners. If you’ve ever lived in a locale that lacks enough ambient light for you to see your hand in front of your face at night, you get it. If you live in a place where you can hear a car approaching from more than a mile away you get it.

Let my handgun have a normal clip (average 9mm is 15 bullets) and we’re probably golden. And yet. DEMs lose moderate libs on this single issue.

Yes, I own a handgun. Off the shelf with no mods it holds 18 per clip standard and comes with 2 clips.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

i live in the mountains in a town of ~3000. i can drive 30 miles without seeing a traffic light. and i also have a gun

i'm still voting D, because i see that as a boneheaded thing to acquiesce to trump over. though to be fair, there IS NO valid defensible reason to vote for that incompetent pluted bloatocrat rapist coward

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

I have several. Not once have I actually felt like someone was coming to take them. Beto shot himself in the foot saying he would, especially in Texas.

I like common sense gun laws. I took classes for my concealed carry. I can pass a test about the care and feeding of firearms any day of the week. No one except me has access to my guns.

Of course I'm voting blue. They ain't coming for my guns. And even if they were I'd still vote against Trump and fight them on it.

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[–] Mercuri@lemmy.world 77 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Every time some ridiculous shit like this happens, I remember when Howard Dean yelled a little too loud and that invalidated his entire political career.

[–] synae@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Even worse, apparently we only got the audio from his mic and it was an appropriately loud EEEEAAAAGH given the audience volume

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[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 61 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Most conservatives believe state education isn't anything more than brainwashing against conservative ideas.

They're 100% correct. Education tends to make one confront reality and live in the real world, a very un-conservative concept.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 19 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

they have to start from kindergarten onward, because it doesn't take much education to make people realize that "because tradition" is just about the dumbest reason to do anything. and if that's the only reason you're doing something, then maybe it's time to grow the fuck up and move on

but no, they've turned words like "progress" and "change" into pejoratives. same as "expert," "science," and "facts/fact-checking"

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[–] Sc00ter@lemm.ee 14 points 3 weeks ago

"Go to college and get a good education!"

goes to college, gets educated in class and from people from all over who aren't like me. Realize different people have different needs

"College is a liberal brain wash machine!"

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[–] quink@lemmy.ml 38 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

this race...

this race?

The past three Republican presidents saw a job growth of 1 million, the past three Democratic presidents 51 million. Now sure, the president doesn't define every aspect of the economy, but my god that big a discrepancy is not accidental. As someone not from America, I don't understand why this race is so close, but why any race involving the Republicans, even outside of Trump, would be. I'll consider Romney an exception though, but he doesn't seem representative of the Republican Party before or after him.

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (9 children)

Because Trump is energizing his base with lies and propaganda designed to get them angry and motivated, while Kamala has squandered the enthusiasm her base had for her by pursuing disaffected center-right never-Trumpers. It's basically the same strategy Hillary Clinton ran in 2016 and it's terrifying to watch the Democrats gamble on it yet again.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

its because their corporate owners don't want to have to implement left wing economic policies for the good of the nation. unfortunately we'll continue to have fascist bogey men until people start holding dems accountable.

[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It's because the media, who teach most people how to think, is mostly owned by corporations who benefit from pro-corpo status quo policies.

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[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 32 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

It's entirely the EC.

Biden won by ten million votes, and it was still a clencher because some idjit in kansas thinks the candidates sucking Pennsylvania's fracking drill all election keeps their interests represented.

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 12 points 3 weeks ago

We need to stop letting land vote.

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[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

50% of people have below average intelligence and they finally feel represented... 🤷‍♂️

[–] cranakis@reddthat.com 23 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." -George Carlin

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Have you seen some of the wishy-washy mouth breathers in the "undecided" focus groups? I'm embarrassed to admit we're the same species. The Trump cultists might be insane, brain-poisoned, sociopathic, fundamentalist idiots but at least they have the capacity to make a bad decision. The independents can't seem to make any decision. It if they do, it's based on some random nonsense or impulse. I dunno if they've got learning disorders or are just sad windsocks, but the fact that they are the ones who get to decide if America dies next month is terrifying.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 19 points 3 weeks ago

The race is close because Republicans have built something better than a platform when you're dealing with ignorant masses.

They built a brand.

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Republicans don’t want the country to be educated.

People with college degrees are overwhelmingly voting Harris. Republicans know that if we make the country smarter they’re screwed

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[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

why is this race so close?

Two words: Electoral College.

[–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The electoral college takes it from a 45-55 to a 50-50. But what on God's green earth gets him that 45% of the votes?

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[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

Pretty sure it's the economy. Despite the fact that the US economy has been reasonably well managed, by international standards, people are hurting -- which is the perfect recipe for changing the governing party. Telling people that things aren't as bad as they think they are makes you sound out of touch.

[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

As John Stewart would say: well I'm still undecided... Cause a horse kicked my head.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

For the same reason I got temp banned from this community. People only need to be slightly against the circlejerk to be pushed away from a community, and this creates a "well, might as well let everything burn" counter-resentment. I can't vote in the US, but part of that reason is having prioritized society and consequences over ego and money. if I could I would vote against Trump, but it seems you guys are stuck doing it, and you reap what you sow. Stop being surprised pikachu-faced.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

In addition to all the things said elsewhere in this thread, younger demographics are less likely to engage with polling, which is likely effecting the outcome of the polls. The emails/texts/phone calls/etc just get ignored, so that leaves the older generations as the only ones who actually answer.

I know the polls try to take that into account, but it's never going to be possible to do so perfectly.

So tldr: fuck the polls go vote, and make sure your friends/family votes

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[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Most people are poorer today in the day-to-day than they were 4 years ago.

That's why. It's that simple.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

That, and they forgot that they were poorer 4 years ago than they were 8 years ago.

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[–] ohellidk@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

he barely danced because he knows he'd bust his ass trying.

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[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you're posting this right now because of recent poll data, It's because Republican companies are creating their own polls just so that they can claim the race is closer than it is.

Of course we don't know who's going to win. The election hasn't happened yet. But any speculation about changes in the last few days should be taken with a grain of salt, because this is a playbook that was trotted out two years ago and it's back again.

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[–] yrmp@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Because the material conditions of late stage capitalism that lead to fascism are inevitable.

[–] xenoclast@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Because the people who own everything want him to win. It's that simple.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

It's close because humans are stupid

[–] VintageTech@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Because one side wants to own the libs and that's all they want to do. While one side is just as bad, they want to own the population to get away with crimes and the other side is never taken seriously as it's full of gas huffing paint-chip addicts.

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[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You can't forget that the voters are all americans.

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