The term is used to describe a list of things that are disallowed. So the connotation is a bit racist. “Allow list” serves the same purpose without and is being widely adopted in the software industry.

Meanwhile brown-nosing is like kowtowing or kissing up too. The connotation of that is that your nose is up their ass and you got shit on it.

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago

The connotation of that is that your nose is up their ass and you got shit on it.

Ohhh I thought it was a reference to that Gabriel Dropout episode where Raphiel got Satania to dress up as a reindeer

[–] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

“Allow list” serves the same purpose without and is being widely adopted in the software industry.

Outside of programming, "blocklist" would probably make more sense for most normal uses of the word (blocking people out of credit/rent/employment/etc).

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

allow is the more descriptive replacement for whitelist, dunno why op switched from blacklist -> blocklist, they serve similar purposes but the inversion of the default is pretty important

[–] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I see. even if the term itself wasn't created to be racist (at least the direct evidence for use against black and enslaved people isn't certain) the use of "black" in the context especially vs "white" reinforces existing racial hierarchies

edit: moreover it was used against labor and is basically a bourgeois term

[–] ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6148600/

it has its origin in anti-labor actions taken during the first stages of chattel slavery. terms like black sheep and black market are similarly racially charged. black eye is just abt the color of the injury tho. and the “brown” in brown nose is abt getting shit on ur nose from ass kissing im p sure.

[–] enkifish@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

black sheep

Isn't this also about the literal color of wool? Black wool is caused be recessive genes and shepherds didn't really like them because it can't be dyed and isn't very marketable. At least that's been my understanding of the term.

[–] ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

im still suspicious of that one. it’s a continuation of the black=bad paradigm. there is a traditional view of black sheep being undesirable bc u can’t dye black wool (at least before bleaching agents were discovered). but the modern connotation of “black sheep” comes from early chattel slavery

[–] Ithorian@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Even with modern techniques black wool is hard to use. And if it gets into a normal batch while processing it can essentially contaminate the whole thing.

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 2 points 3 months ago

just wear the black wool, damn. goths stay winning

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Wait Zig caused the first struggle session? Lol

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago

No, but he did impersonate several of us on Raddle pretty early on.

[–] nothx@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Nooo, sorry, my wording may have been confusing. It’s the first I can remember. Right around when I made my hexbear account.