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Ope lemme just sneak past ya right there real quick oh sorry there whoops oh geez real sorry about that fella oh boy

Also real coward behavior by the guy here to to face away from the male model

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[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 67 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

I actually went to this. It was a Marina Abramovic retrospective. I think the naked bouncers were only posted in position every now and again, cos I definitely did not have to squeeze past them. And that guy in particular was must've swapped around in the exhibition cos when I saw him he was lying down on a table, face-up with his nob out.

Also, one of the exhibits had this old lady wearing white robes, doing a fast on some structure elevated above the crowd. She would only drink water for the whole run of the exhibition. Her entire living space was essentially cross sectioned, so that even her toilet was on display for all to see - and where she slept, and so on. She looked absolutely miserable but her eyes said 'dont worry, I'm on a spiritual/artistic journey'.

There was a quote from Abramovic (whose work this lady was replicating), about how on day 4 she went a bit loopy and felt like she could see everyone's energetic wavelengths or something.

Anyway, I thought the old lady could do with a morale boost so I smiled and waved at her, and gave a nod of 'respect, brah'. People were not pleased with that. I felt a sudden encirclement of dirty looks. Even my partner was a bit pissed off that I did it.

The experience introduced to me the debate of 'what even is arts etiquette'? Am I not free to consume it however I want? It's performance art - the whole point is the relationship between the live subject and connection you feel with them in the room. I said sorry anyway, and I can see that I was being a bit of a bellend, if I'm honest...

But inside I wondered - why am I the bellend? I'm the only person here treating the other human in the room like a human rather than like a zoo animal. The etiquette is to navel gaze and swill your wine. No wonder performance art is almost exclusively the realm of middle and upper classes.

If I was her - stuck in the rafters of the Royal Academy for a week, people staring me down every single time I take an increasingly watery shit - I'd at least want someone to rock-paper-scissors me at some point.

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 45 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Wow how dare you interact with art you're supposed to give money to the art and observe the art and go hmm yes this is art to the art. You are absolutely under no circumstances supposed to INTERACT with the art. That might reduce the VALUE of the art. Experiencing the art and going "wow it's kind of weird that nobody is treating this human that is doing the art like a human" and actually thinking about the art is NOT PART OF THE ART no-i-in-pezza

Honestly fuck art snobs and the entire art world. I know many artists and the "art world" does not and has not and will not ever do a single fucking thing for the humans that actually make art. You were 100% in the right for silently interacting with the art in your own way. Anyone who tells you otherwise is too stuck up their own bourgeois THE SANCTITY OF THE ART WORLD ass and should be disregarded.

Anyone who disagrees feel free to struggle below but you will literally never convince me otherwise.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 23 points 3 weeks ago

Honestly fuck art snobs and the entire art world. I know many artists and the "art world" does not and has not and will not ever do a single fucking thing for the humans that actually make art. You were 100% in the right for silently interacting with the art in your own way. Anyone who tells you otherwise is too stuck up their own bourgeois THE SANCTITY OF THE ART WORLD ass and should be disregarded.

Anyone who disagrees feel free to struggle below but you will literally never convince me otherwise.

eric-andre

Your take is also my take. "High" contemporary art is high on its own farts and powered by rich asshole money laundering. The "rebellion" of postmodernism is the establishment and is over a century old now.

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 29 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Pretty much all performance art interrogates the relationship between the artist and the audience as spectator and the audience as participant. The audience is pretty much definitionally a part of performance art. Also treating a performance with hushed reverence and enforcing a strict separation between art and the audience is quite literally a cornerstone of bourgeois respectability, historically speaking

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 8 points 3 weeks ago

"This is actually part of the art performance" goes all the way down. Even the art snobbery and "how dare you interact with living beings here" shaming.

I'd rather just cut the Gordian knot and acknowledge living beings doing something socially awkward (presumably for pay) and accept my place in the performance accordingly.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 26 points 3 weeks ago

But inside I wondered - why am I the bellend? I'm the only person here treating the other human in the room like a human rather than like a zoo animal. The etiquette is to navel gaze and swill your wine. No wonder performance art is almost exclusively the realm of middle and upper classes.

The art world has been ossified somewhat by a very long period of "art is about subversion for its own sake and making sure the stupid peasants don't get it." Art should challenge its subjects (and the artists) regularly, but the idea of "being hostile to the audience is smart and cool" is over a century old and is no longer rebellious... it is the establishment now.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 22 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I'll be honest I'd do the same thing you did but I'd double down (appropriately, gauging the person putting themselves on exhibition willingness to interact with me) and definitely do a round or few of rock paper scissors.

But it's less out of a sense of kindness towards our fellow man and more out of spite for the artificial self-imposed chains of swine that thinks themselves better than they truly are.

Also because a good bout of random rock paper scissors is always fun

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[–] Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net 56 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Also real coward behavior by the guy here to to face away from the male model

How do you know he doesn't enjoy having his back turned

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 27 points 3 weeks ago

Extremely valid point

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 43 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 39 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

lemme just scooch past ya there

[–] roux@hexbear.net 18 points 3 weeks ago

As a former midwesterner, I feel seen.

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[–] FLAMING_AUBURN_LOCKS@hexbear.net 25 points 3 weeks ago

gonna SNEAK past'cha chief

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 43 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)
[–] buh@hexbear.net 61 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

can't afford clothes due to BIDENflation

[–] BobDole@hexbear.net 19 points 3 weeks ago

Bidenflation Rule34

Wait this isn’t google

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[–] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 20 points 3 weeks ago

Think about it, Derek

[–] Speaker@hexbear.net 17 points 3 weeks ago

Underrated.

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[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 42 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This seems kinda not great for the models. At best it seems like it would get cold. Just seems kinda weird to pay someone to stand in a doorway so people need to brush up on their tiddies/dong. Generally when people pay models to do things like this it'd considered bad but it seems to get a pass when it's 'provocative art'. Also I'd probably keep saying excuse me louder and louder until they move cause I'm not a Midwesterner

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 33 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

As New Yorker, I would probably yell EYYY I'M TRYIN TO SEE SOME ART OVAH HERE QUIT BLOCKING THE FREAKING DOOR GO METS

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

East Coast aktion. Realistically after a couple excuse me's I would finally acknowledge the bit and they're naked and blocking the door for art but like, just fucking move please, sigh deeply after they don't reply cause they are probably paid to not talk cause art, and then squeeze by as quick as possible with my hands above my head.

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Genuinely moving out of the South and unlearning all the superficial politeness brainworms was one of the best things to ever happen to me

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 8 points 3 weeks ago

I love northeastern directness. It feels more sincere, and in that way, friendlier than the passive-aggressive performative manners of the west coast.

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[–] Robert_Kennedy_Jr@hexbear.net 36 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Going through multiple times but with different shitty disguises like a fake mustache or sombrero.

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 27 points 3 weeks ago

Bisexual excellence hexbear-bi

[–] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 33 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

bocchi-glitch

Hell, even if they were fully clothed... bocchi-head-shake

[–] AernaLingus@hexbear.net 16 points 3 weeks ago

No one gets me like Bocchi gets me

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 33 points 3 weeks ago

Racists are going to have a field day with this one :yea:

[–] bigbrowncommie69@hexbear.net 31 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] blight@hexbear.net 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] fox@hexbear.net 35 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Idk I think the models would space themselves accordingly to make it equally awkward for every patron

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 34 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Do they try to keep the same nude-pressure applied or ratio of rubbed surface / total body surface?

[–] Twitches@lemm.ee 22 points 3 weeks ago

god I hope so

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 28 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] anarcho_blinkenist@hexbear.net 28 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

*flinstones dinosaur voice* "it's a living"

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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 27 points 3 weeks ago

Its extremely silly that people would be confronted by the idea of having to sqeeeze between two people uet here we. Culturally, are.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 27 points 3 weeks ago
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck 😱 💀

[–] AmericaDeserved711@hexbear.net 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I too would face the pretty naked lady instead of the pretty naked man. call me a coward, see if I care

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 19 points 3 weeks ago

I see that dumb_lucre watermark on the pic. Same guy who posted CP on twitter to make a point and is still there. Yeah this will be a long one

[–] Red_Eclipse@hexbear.net 17 points 3 weeks ago
[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 16 points 3 weeks ago

I’m a midwesterner, trust me, this is a dream come true.

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I would face the male model for fear of seeming like a creep. They're both hot though.

[–] RiotDoll@hexbear.net 19 points 3 weeks ago

i would make deep eye contact with both at the same time by splitting my form and mirroring myself back to back, with a pair of pilot eyes facing forward

[–] christian@hexbear.net 15 points 3 weeks ago

Am I allowed to also be nude when I squeeze through?

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