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Self-Styled "AI Artist" Furious That People Are "Blatantly Stealing My Work" (futurism.com)

submitted 1 month ago by lemmee_in@lemm.ee to c/fuck_ai@lemmy.world

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Jason Allen, the AI "artist" whose image he created with Midjourney won a fine arts competition two years ago, is still mad that the government won't let him copyright his opus — and, in an amazing lack of self-awareness, is also crying that his work is being stolen as a result.

The prizewinning image, "Théâtre D'opéra Spatial," was deemed to not wholly exhibit human authorship because a significant amount of it — as Allen himself disclaimed — was AI-generated, the US Copyright Office said in a ruling last September. As such, Allen could only claim credit for specific portions of the image that he created with Photoshop — not the thing as a whole.

Now he's making another appeal, Creative Bloq reports, complaining that he's losing money to the tune of "several million dollars" because, without a copyright, his work is being used without his approval. Does this argument ring any bells?

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[–] watson387@sopuli.xyz 72 points 1 month ago

Sounds like that guy is welcome to go fuck himself.

[–] AFreeLarryHoover@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I would love to know how he calculated those several million dollars.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Bend over

[–] Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org 29 points 1 month ago

He worked so hard typing that 3 lines of prompt...

[–] Thorry84@feddit.nl 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ah you see, his mistake was he made it fungible, he should have made it non fungible. That way he would have been protected!

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 month ago

right clicks

ehehehehe

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

Great, even a damn Tardigrade is more musically talented then me...

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 month ago

Funny how that works.

[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

He should copy right into the local pond.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

He should take a photograph of it, then he could copyright that.

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 month ago

complaining that he's losing money to the tune of "several million dollars" because, without a copyright, his work is being used without his approval

Losing millions of dollars? ah yeah I'm sure people are lining up to buy prints of your art bro, trust

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I just made a song about pocket face

Pa pa pa pa pocket face!

Lady Gaga has not reached for comment.

[–] PunchingWood@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

He sounds like everything that's wrong with the current generations of self-entitled degenerates. Doing as little as possible and expecting to be rewarded with piles of gold. Taking other people's hard labour and then run away with it, the only one deserving of a prize is whoever put those image generator together, it's not AI in my eyes, but it is an actual technical accomplishment.

[–] blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm of the opinion that "AI" generated images can be art, but the art is in a real person selecting and giving meaning to it, not in the process the image came to be.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago

It's great for brainstorming. And for being lazy.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Artist gonna artist. Some things never change.

[+] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com -26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

This is a terrible ruling (like every ruling). If someone makes art with a computer, it's the person who made the art. It only helps the grifters when judges buy into the illusion of some "AI" making art.

The real problem is surviving as an artist under capitalism. The "solution" of imaginary "IP" has never worked for artists and has only served capital.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

When you write a prompt into midjourney or any other image generator, nothing get's "made", simply aggregated from datasets; a pixel from here, a pixel from there. An eye that is eerily similar to this image, a fold of a cloth that is taken almost exactly from a similar painting in it's dataset.

All (or most) of those datasets are taken from the work of actual artists, without attribution or pay because for years we all got suckered in to posting our work online.

Now if you...as an artist...wanted to make a piece of art by cutting out parts of various paintings using something like photoshop, that's a legitimate claim to art. But if you write three sentances into a text box and let the computer do that aggregating for you...you're not an artist.

Even IF we take it to the extreme and say that AI art IS in fact art, you're still not the artist, any more so than I would be if I gave a painter a description of what I wanted and got him to paint it for me. You're the person procuring the piece, nothing more.

[–] sinceasdf@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

ai is simply aggregated

Try a collage in Photoshop instead

Idk about that logic

The dudes stuff is pretty nice. Most people can't make stuff that nice in midjourney. Not necessarily saying it should be copyrightable mind you, but I think there's at least some artistic ability this guy has. Copyright is a clusterfuck as it is so that seems like a moot argument anyways.

[–] groucho@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah I'd argue that creativity starts after the idea, when you roll your sleeves up and see it through to completion. Ideas are easy. Everyone has them. Doing the work by using your skills and tools is the actual creative process. Everything else is mindless ideation.

Or to put it another way, imagine a high-level executive telling the art department to come up with something cool for the next product line. He fires an email off, waits for the result, maybe sends a couple notes back. When he unveils the product, he says "look how creative and artistic I am." Is he? I'd argue he isn't. He just had the idea. Other people executed that idea. The best you can say about him is he guided the process along, but nobody in the art department needs him to be there.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

imagine a high-level executive telling the art department to come up with something cool for the next product line. He fires an email off, waits for the result, maybe sends a couple notes back. When he unveils the product, he says “look how creative and artistic I am.”

The Steve Jobs business management course^tm^

[–] groucho@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 month ago

100%

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 month ago

The real problem is surviving as an artist under capitalism. The "solution" of imaginary "IP" has never worked for artists and has only served capital.

That's the sad truth that's often overlooked in the discussion. People should just take a look of what happened to sampling.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

What do you make?