Under a toot announcing that firefox now supports CHIPS (Cookies Having Independent Partitioned State) : firefox

[–] disguised_doge@kbin.earth 130 points 3 months ago (16 children)

crazy how as soon as mozilla does good stuff nobody is there

We're all glad to see Mozilla have a win, at least I assume so. But there's been a lot of other much bigger decisions that have gone on recently that make us (at least me) hesitant to celebrate at the first good thing.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 53 points 3 months ago (1 children)

On the more technical side of things they are doing excellent work, it's on the bike shedding department that the overpaid management is doing idiotic choices.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 months ago

as always on these corporations

[–] eskimofry@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

Yeah it's like the fucking Goat thing. Mozilla fucked a goat and shocked that that's all people remember.

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

I dunno, finally getting vertical tabs is not exactly making me hesitant to celebrate, quite the opposite. Someone at Mozilla must have been a portrait-mode desktop monitor user, can't understand the years-long resistance to this otherwise.

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[–] Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com 103 points 3 months ago (6 children)

The Mozilla foundation also granted some money to ente a company that offers Google photos replacement with end to end encryption.

[–] Sl00k@programming.dev 16 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Anyone used Ente? How is it?

[–] mac@lemm.ee 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

i downloaded it after the news the other day. Presently uploading >200gb of pictures.

Android App has a few quirks, not very snappy, but it looks pretty polished.

The on device ML seems to be pretty accurate once you start tagging people.

We'll see how it handles me throwing the 200gb at it because it was already stuttering a bit when scrolling through ~15gb of pics.

I havent had the chance to spin up an immich instance yet to compare the two.

All in all, we might need to wait for a longer term user to chime in, but as of now to me it seems good enough.

Edit: 2 weeks later. I installed immich on a proxmox node with a rtx 2060 super passed through. it flies compared to ente, which is to be expected as immich isnt e2ee. I will most likely maintain both libraries for now, but Immich is definitely a more complete product.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (7 children)

But... Immich does this just fine, and is pretty great at it.

[–] Player2@lemm.ee 32 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Options are good

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[–] finestnothing@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Not everyone has the technical ability or hardware to selfhost immich, even just for LAN access. If I tried to teach my wife enough about docker/docker-compose to get immich set up, running, kept updated, and troubleshooting when it has problems... I would probably be limping away with a fork stuck in my leg. Could it be a fun project for people that are interested in it? Definitely, but most people want an easy cloud service that works as easily as data-gathering alternatives over something they have to maintain themselves even in the form of occasional docker-compose pull

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

I think I'm going to wait until immich thinks so as well

[–] geography082@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I have self hosted immich almost a year, tried to make it the standard for my family. For me it was a pain in the ass to keep it running and available to have a smooth experience on my family. I had to rebuild it several times because of complex behavior and a few breaking changes, the iOS app is not working properly, I ended up removing it, too much time consuming.

[–] mac@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, Immich has been on my radar for a number of years, but I've read a lot about breaking changes being a pain to deal with, and I'm a bit busy as it is right now with work and other personal projects to tinker too heavily.

Will take a closer look as I hear a stable release is planned soon.

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[–] AnActOfCreation@programming.dev 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Personally I don't trust myself with self-hosting something as important as photos. It would probably be fine, but I'm willing to pay for someone else to manage the infrastructure.

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[–] AnActOfCreation@programming.dev 10 points 2 months ago

Very happy Ente user here! It's a great alternative to Google Photos and Immich (since I think photos are too important to self-host).

They have an easy guide for migrating from Google Photos (basically they can import a Takeout export directly).

https://ente.io/faq/migration/from-google-photos/

I've got it installed on my phone with automatic backups enabled. It had no issues with duplicates from both Takeout and the existing photos on my phone. (I even did the upload twice due to running out of space the first time, and there were no dupes). The app has a pretty similar design to Google Photos, so it feels familiar. It also supports Google's version of "live photos".

You can create links to share albums or individual photos, and you can also add people to your plan.

I enabled the local machine learning analysis and, while it's not perfect, it does make for a pretty nice searching experience.

[–] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Pretty good, very responsive to feedback on Matrix/discord. Great features, love it

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[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 60 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, that's how it works. If you do bad stuff, people leave. They are no longer around to notice if you do good stuff.

[–] maniajack@lemmy.world 58 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Lemmy sure loves a circlejerk about shitting on Firefox.

[–] ghen@sh.itjust.works 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I love my Firefox and no amount of downvotes could change that lol

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[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

People aren't shitting on Firefox, people are shitting on Mozilla and rightfully so. Mozilla has made many bad decisions, decisions that may call into question the future of Firefox and whether their decisions will compromise it as a privacy friendly browser. After all if Mozilla starts making changes which are harmful towards privacy and hard codes them into the browser, there's no getting around that with user.js tweaks, that requires more work to fix.

Thankfully there are forks of Firefox but since those depend on the upstream from Mozilla the more they change the harder it is to undo those changes. A manifest V3 style change (which isn't happening now but could happen in the future if they get into advertising), would be devastating, because even if Librewolf can undo those changes, it's very likely they would have to implement their own extension distribution system because AMO would very much reject incompatible add-ons in that scenario.

So yeah people do have the right to criticize Mozilla in this regard, this trend has happened before, it will continue to happen in the future. Enshittification is a slow and ugly process, best to catch it in the early stages than to wait it out until you're already boiling (frog boiling analogy).

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[–] Nobilmantis@feddit.it 59 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Isn't this the same as "Total Cookie Protection" that was released a while ago?

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 95 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Yes and no, total cookie protection prevents cookies from loading from other sites, CHIPS is a new standard that makes it so that that is impossible* to begin with. (simpifying here but thats the idea)

*unless the browser allows it

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

my impression was that it was impossible already, because there was effectively a different cookie storage for every site

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

oh

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Privacy/Privacy_sandbox/Partitioned_cookies

CHIPS is similar to the state partitioning mechanism implemented by Firefox. The difference is that state partitioning partitions cookie storage and retrieval into separate cookie jars for each top-level site, without a mechanism to allow opt-in to third-party cookies if desired. As browsers start to phase out third-party cookie usage, there are still valid, non-tracking uses of third-party cookies that need to be permitted while developers begin to handle this change.

so this adds a setting to allow a site access to shared 3rd party cookies, when the site supports the feature?

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

Based on Mozilla's documentation, it looks like CHIPS only applies to "cross site" cookies that are just accessible on different subdomains of the same site. A third party cookie could share data between a.site.example and b.site.example if it asked nicely, but not on site2.example.

If this isn't about it subdomains exclusively, it's not apparent to me. But it's all pretty confusing, and CHIPS appears to be just one minor thing that Google introduced when they were creating Privacy Sandbox back in 2022. (You know, to facilitate the total removal of third-party cookies, something they eventually backtracked on anyway.)

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 months ago

You can embed bits of a website in other websites, that's how 3rd party cookies exist

[–] hate2bme@lemmy.world 35 points 3 months ago (15 children)

A toot?

[–] thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca 40 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The mastodon version of a post or, sadly, tweet.

It’s, uh, not the best name.

But maybe, just maybe, it more appropriately attributes correct value to a social media thing. ;)

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Most people these days refer to them as posts, toots is older Mastodon linguo.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Etymologically, I think the word "tweet" was slowly being supplanted by "post" even before Twitter's name was officially changed to X. After all, "post" is universal, and there were many uses of thingposting that go back years, even on Twitter itself.

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[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 38 points 3 months ago

A mastodon, like an elephant, has a trunk it can sound like a trumpet.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 29 points 2 months ago

A toot

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[–] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Perhaps if they made decisions like this more often in recent times there would be more people there when they do good stuff.

Edit: Cool to see someone botting this thread as well. I have now watched on three separate occasions someone vote up on mine and others comments only for a vote down to be applied within 10 seconds - 5 minutes in lockstep each time. This was in the first 15 minutes of the comment being posted.

2nd Edit. I've watched it happen 8 times now actually. I wonder what the odds are that over the course of ~2 hours there is exactly 8 people who agree and exactly 8 who don't who keep showing up within moments of one another.

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 76 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (11 children)

You mean like isolating cookies?

Like integration state partitioning for the entire browser context, user-controllable?

Like adding vertical tabs?

Like background wallpaper options for new tab independent of themes?

Like site translations?

Like working on tab groups?

Like working on tablet UI options?

Like .. okay I'll stop.

Like with red traffic lights vs green traffic lights, always keep in mind that your brain does not want to actively notice/recall things going well. It's when things are annoying/interrupting that you remember.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 3 months ago

No, not like that! JUST LET ME BE HATEFUL FFS

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[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (12 children)

No clue. I doubt it's a conspiracy, though. Just seems like a controversial take.

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