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I use ad blockers and open source privacy focused software whenever I can but occasionally I have to use computers that don't belong to me or an older phone where my usual applications aren't installed and seeing all the advertisements just feels dirty and dystopian.

I think the worst ads are the text to speech ones that say "Download this app today". The unblinking energenic people saying you can make a living at home are probably a close second.

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 136 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same, it's so weird seeing normal TV or using the internet without blockers. Feels like living in Idiocracy.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

One of my most used sites has a banner that says "Sign up for a small fee to remove the ads."

I was a confused for a second, because I had never seen one.

Tried the site with another browser with my default protection off and holy shit, so many ads. The webpage is mostly unusable because of the shear number.

[–] solstice@lemmy.world 89 points 1 year ago (23 children)

I'm always disgusted with tv ads and it blows me away that people just let commercials scream at them all day to buy viagra, anal leakage meds, insurance etc. Why would you let that shit in your home? Ugh

[–] Etienne_Dahu@jlai.lu 28 points 1 year ago

Why would you let that shit in your home?

Because you didn't buy the anal leakage meds.

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[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 82 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah I agree.

It's made me very intolerant of ads. It's kind of surprising how much effort I will invest to avoid ads, and avoid supporting people who make a living from advertising revenue.

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[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

It IS perverse. You're having your eyes groped by strangers, all trying to get you to do what you have no desire to do. You just want to get what you came for and leave, but no, everywhere you look something is trying to block your path and distract you from your goal. And it's not even honest: you already know that none of these extraneous, unwanted come-ons you're seeing is anything close to true. In some cases, it's a full-on mental assault.

It's vile. I used to leave some on, but now there's not even such a thing as "acceptable ads" anymore just because of the sheer numbers involved. So now I don't just block: I go full extermination mode. I'm usually on desktop so if it's a one time thing, like a single ad on YouTube that managed to sneak by all of my walls and filters and I can't just pass it by because it's stuck in my field of vision, I'll actually do an "inspect element" and delete it on the spot. But otherwise, if I can't block 100% or very close to it, I find a different site or source, or shut down altogether.

I genuinely don't think our minds were made for this level of constant information onslaught and never-ending manipulation campaigns, and I don't think it's healthy or life-affirming to subject oneself to it without limit. So I don't. People get angry about it, but hey, more for them to enjoy if that's how they wanna roll.

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[–] charonn0@startrek.website 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Jarring" would have also been acceptable.

Most people are so desensitized to ads that they barely register. So the advertisers ramp up the attention-grabbing. Repeat. So when I actually see an advertisement it nearly knocks me out of my chair because I'm not desensitized anymore.

[–] lenathaw@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My sister shared me an Instagram reel for a [brand] bag review and asked me to buy it for her (there's no [brand store] in her city).

It was such an obvious advertising campaign by the brand, when I walked into the store the same reel she shared me was playing in the store screens

[–] thesilverpig@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm 90% sure I understood what you are saying, but I wouldn't be angry if you ninja edited your comment to fix some of the typos. Here's a cute turtle to indicate I'm not trying to be a dick, just gently nudge you cause I want to understand. 🐢

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[–] justastranger@sh.itjust.works 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ads nowadays are little more than psychological assault and it can't be healthy to be exposed to it regularly. My Home Ec teacher back in the day had a whole unit about the different manipulations present in advertisements and it was really enlightening and upsetting. Modern advertising should be banned or severely regulated.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 year ago

I support significant regulation, but it won't happen. But having a course like the one you took as well as media-literacy should be required middle-school education with a more sophisticated follow-up in high school. That also won't happen because then you don't get the people who vote for GOP pieces of shit. It's in their interest to have citizens who are easily manipulated.

My father said babies were being aborted basically when ready for birth. I said there's no way that was happening, said send me a link. One glance at the page and I didn't need to read the article because of the gimmicks all over plus obviously bogus ads. He had a doctorate of mech engineering, but he couldn't handle life on the internet. Typing this, I'm horrified to realize that I'm glad he passed when he did and didn't end up with ever-increasingly wacko beliefs that could have harmed our relationship.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 45 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Whenever I see someone's computer who doesn't use adblocker it blows my mind. I can't imagine going back to that shit.

[–] snake@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I just install uBO without saying anything ;)

[–] iByteABit@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Chaotic Good

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's a fun game of too many ads leading to adblockers, which leads to those not using adblockers to get twice as many ads, more people use adblockers, etc. Until the only way for a company to make money on a website is either to sell your data, or charge for the service.

Yay.

[–] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

I'd happily pay for a service if I could have a guarantee, with legal teeth (like a service level agreement with truly massive penalties for breach), that the service won't ever do any of the following:

  1. Put an ad in front of my face.
  2. Sell my personal information.

I used to pay for some services to get the "ad-free" version, but almost invariably this chain got subsequently followed: ad-free → opt-in "curated" ads → opt-out "curated" ads → "curated" ads → dropping all pretense of there being any advantage to paying as the site becomes ad-o-rama.

So I won't pay for sites. I just block their ads.

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[–] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

Every once in a while I find myself looking at the Internet without ad blockers. Like, newly-installing a browser on a newly-installed OS, or trialing a new browser on my phone or whatnot. And when it happens it's a massive shock to me just how unusable the modern Internet is without an ad blocker.

If I were forced somehow to not use an ad blocker, I would probably stop using the WWW portion of the Internet and likely grossly cut down on other facets of the Internet.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

but occasionally I have to use computers that don't belong to me

Do them a favor and install an adblocker.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)

If i had a dollar for everytime I've done this and been asked why I "downloaded a virus" because Google Chrome has a little red icon in the corner and now things don't "feel right", I'd have like 7 bucks

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I mean, don't do it against their will. At least put some effort into selling the idea of an internet without ads to them first. Then explain that Google and other companies are going to try to manipulate them into thinking that not viewing ads is a bad thing with false warnings and scare tactics like those. That it's fine, and if they read carefully the warning it doesn't say anything bad is actually happening.

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[–] airportline@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Most people don’t appreciate it when you install software on their personal devices without their permission.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I'm used to seeing brief YouTube ads when I cast from my phone, but I was in a hotel recently where the only option was live TV (we were in the back of the hotel and the Chromecast didn't have a good enough antenna to pick up the router), so it was the first time in years I saw full-on commercials. If the movie hadn't been so good- After the Thin Man- I wouldn't have put up with it.

[–] veroxii@aussie.zone 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Look into the gl.inet travel routers. I've got one of the smaller ones and it has helped me on a few trips. It can run as a hotel wifi extender. An AP for your devices while it logs into the hotel wifi or ethernet on their behalf, etc. Can even channel all your data over a VPN over the hotel connection which is useful if you're overseas and want to use your services back home but need to un-geoblock yourself.

Worth a look for under $100.

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[–] HipPriest@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I use a VPN which has an excellent ad & bs blocker. But occasionally some sites need me to turn it off to pay for things or whatever and I forget to turn it back on and end up browsing the internet in its normal state.

And wow... welcome to commerce central. It's not that all the ads are obnoxious though some are, but the quantity of them is out of control on some websites.

To be fair, I've found it's a good rule of thumb that the quality of a website is usually proportionate to the less amount of ads they have.

I also reviewed mobile games for a while and had to play without a VPN to get the same experience most players would get - game ads are the worst. Unrepresentative of the games they're trying to sell, but also often sexist (veering towards misogynistic), obnoxious and with false endings.

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[–] Nonameuser678@aussie.zone 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The person who was instrumental in the development of modern advertising was also involved in the notorious little Albert experiment. That really says a lot about how unethical modern advertising is on a psychological level. As a psych major myself I am constantly disgusted by how manipulative and toxic advertising is. It actually troubles me how we've essentially just accepted this as part of our society now.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Albert_experiment

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

"The aim of Watson and Rayner was to condition a phobia in an emotionally stable child."

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's a documentary called "Manufacturing Consent" that is an interesting look at the PR and advertising industry that goes into the psychology of it.

Though some of them have no subtlety. Even as a teenager, I remember noticing the insidiousness of minivan adverts. They weren't selling vehicles, they were selling the idea that a new vehicle will make your kids want to spend time with the family again. It was probably because I was a teenager at the time that I noticed it because I thought minivans were lame and knew I'd resent having to go for family rides just because we got a new vehicle that I thought was dumb anyways.

But these advertisements wanted to convince families to spend money they may or may not have been able to afford for an emotional result that was at best going to be short term even if your kids had undergone enough brain trauma to get excited by minivans. Eventually the novelty would wear off and they'd want to go back to eating paint chips or doing whatever kids who think minivans are cool like to do. And then the lonely parents are stuck with a vehicle that reminds them of the thing that made them sad and have a new incentive to get a new vehicle to help them forget about it.

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[–] shadowSprite@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My husband refuses to use ad blockers for some unknown reason (I installed them on his computer, he won't fucking use them/turns them off) and also is the person who gets the cookie settings menu and clicks "accepts all" every time. I get so stressed trying to use his computer but also like dude! Have you any idea just what you are allowing them to access??? Granted, I'm somewhat ignorant when it comes to how to be completely safe and private on the internet, but I try, and to see someone just blatantly not care makes me lose my cool a little.

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[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

yes, I despise ads. It's gotten to the point where if I'm forced to endure an ad before a youtube video, I'll mute it and avert my eyes. It feels like a psychological assault out of nowhere. it's worse at gas station pumps, where I can't always mute it

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 25 points 1 year ago

its really jarring, and to see people just accept it, kinda hurts my soul.

[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The worst ones I've ever seen by far are ads for mobile games. Some, if not the majority, are full of fetish content, gore and other gross and disturbing stuff just for the shock value; most of the "gameplay" that's shown has nothing to to with the actual game.

Some ads have real people in them act out what (supposedly) happens in-game, those are almost worth watching for their trash value.

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[–] Karlos_Cantana@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've wondered how businesses advertise anymore because I never see advertisements. I don't watch TV. I don't listen to radio. I have ad blockers on my devices. I just assumed most people used as blockers too.

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[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I feel like this whenever I'm subjected to cable ads. Who the fuck can sit through like 4 or 5 minutes of ads every 15 minutes?

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[–] whofearsthenight@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

My latest ad-shock was over at a friend's house. I've not had cable since probably '03? They have cable because a parent lives with them and insists/pays. Just having the TV on playing random things felt weird. Weirder still is having the movie interrupted by ads every 5 seconds. And the ads are just gross. The only thing that was decent was using it as a discovery service. The movie, one of the X-Men that was not one of the good ones, was what we stumbled upon. We watched for a bit, then ended up switching to watching it elsewhere to dunk on it. In ad-free, interruption-free, 4k with surround. Paying for the cable experience (which is rapidly the streaming experience) seems entirely anachronistic.

[–] thefloweracidic@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel you, I've been using an ad blocker for so long I've lost count of the years. I'm always obliterated by how vapid and meaningless modern ads are, its all psychological hacking which is a violation of our mental sovereignty.

I also feel like the "happy young people, living their best life with our product" style ads help keep people delusional about the current state of the world and where we are heading. Like that "Everything is fine" meme, but the dog has a vr headset on and sound cancelling headphones that constantly chant "The heat you are feeling is good for the economy. Everything IS fine!".

I agree, it is 100% dystopian.

[–] bug@lemmy.one 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They Live called it in 1988!

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[–] Thurgo@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The NHL put computer graphic advertisements on the boards and it has nearly ruined the sport for me. There are some bootleg streams that have a broadcast without the advertisements but most of them I find have the ads. Flashing shit. Cars driving down the boards. Animated logos. It's insane what the NHL decided to do with their broadcast product.

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[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I stopped over at my parents' house a few weeks back for a get-together and the TV was on. I nearly felt physically ill at the amount of ads- at one point I saw an overlay ad on top of an actual "commercial" ad. The program that was on was definitely less run time than the adverts that ran in-between short sections of the program.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Did you know that most people won't notice a ~2% increase in the play speed of shows, and that by doing so you can squeeze in an extra 30 seconds of ad time into a 30 minute block?

Because TV companies know this. Many of them do exactly that.

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[–] viking@infosec.pub 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Absolutely. And it's getting even worse, since some ad networks also broadcasting executable code in the form of javascript snippets intended to make interactive banners, where e.g. you move the mouse cursor over it, and an in-ad mouse button moves along. A bunch of those have been used to run malicious code on the machines and actually cause harm to the user, from crypto miners to keyloggers and trojans.

In this day and age, I consider a system without adblock to be compromised by default.

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[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yeah, i've been trying out different browsers and it's so so bad. like, they're pure garbage

don draper era ads actually had fucking thought in there. people made art and worked on the typesetting. now it's pure AI vomit garbage that means nothing to nobody, nobody along the entire chain of making this gave a single fuck about it, no one that's ever seen the image has had a genuine feeling come from it other than disgust and doom.

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[–] ItsComplicated@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I always get the same 2 responses:

Its not that bad or I dont notice.....grrrrrrr

[–] oddspinnaker@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

“I’ve been beaten into accepting it.”

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