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Yep, all of this “inflation” and “rising cost of housing” bullshit is essentially wealthy people turning the screws. They know regular people can barely make this work, and they love that.
I'm traveling in Europe right now and the prices everywhere are so reasonable it really pisses me off. Inflation my ass, I'm convinced it's just American corps squeezing us for everything we got.
Amen.
You can't keep slaves anymore, but you can own a company and pay your workers an amount that makes it hard for them to pay for basic necessities so they don't have time for leisure, or organising unions, or finding other jobs. The workers are free to go, of course, but then they'll fall into financial ruin and not have healthcare.
Frighteningly few have health care with full employment, sometimes it’s not offered, when it is, it’s still not budgetable.
That's exactly what it is, then I've had people laugh at me when I compare it to slavery.
It’s called wage slavery and you can use that information to educate, if any will listen.
Nah, most will just say get a better job, you're not working hard enough etc. Lots of people I speak to tend to frame it as a worker problem rather than a problem with the system. It's also why lots of people seem to be anti strikes...
Well I did use a qualifier. I know. I was in McDonald’s one day getting a soda and they took forever. A young woman was griping that “it’s those kids! No one wants to work anymore!” I told her for those wages and what was expected, i don’t blame them. I got an angry glare.
"but they're paying $15 an hour, isn't that what you people* wanted?"
Uh, it was, but that was 10 years ago...
*not the racist "you people", just the run of the mill ignorant one.
I giggled and took no offense.
Too many people seem to think that chattel slavery is the only thing that counts as slavery, and that even that doesn't count if a slaver is less horrible to their slaves than other slavers are.
Sadly, yes.
I wish one of the bigger industrial countries had the balls to curb the state-like influence of billionaires, by flat out capping the amount of wealth they get to wield. It's not even that people should not be allowed to be "rich". But "rich" should mean owning 1-50 millions or so. Not billions.
You should try visiting Scandinavian countries. While being ultra rich isn't disallowed, it's so heavily taxed that ultra rich end up providing more for the welfare than any other group.
... that is until they move out to Switzerland.
Not true at all. Sweden has worse wealth equality than the US. Sure we have high income taxes, but basically no wealth or inheritance taxes. The only reason social democracy ever took off in Scandinavia was due to the fear of the nearby Soviet Union. The moment the Soviet Union collapsed all the countries of Scandinavia started dismantling the welfare and privatising.
An inconvenient truth is that life was a lot better for the working class in a lot of countries before the Soviet Union fell.
If we're not going to abolish money, it should really be entirely illegal for the highest paid person in a company to make more than, say, 15-20 times more than the lowest paid person.
Reliance on the state to make things right is the fatal flaw. The purpose of the state is not to make our life better, it is to protect the powerful from us.
You're assuming I'm in favor of keeping our existing government intact. I don't. It was shit from the start, and now it's entirely unsalvageable.
Even if the government itself was salvageable, the US is far too ideologically divided into sides that cannot and should not be reconciled with each other.
This country cannot and will not hold itself together much longer, and the only potentially viable course of action is to mitigate the harm that is going to happen no matter what by breaking it up in as controlled and peaceful a manner as possible.
Progressive history nerd with an "aKshUlLy" for you to consider:
Slavery was never abolished, it was moved. There are more slaves in the world today than ever before and the US (among others) is funding it. Our stores are full of goods made by slaves. It's worse now than when slaves were just farmhands because those old high paying factory jobs were still a boon for the domestic worker. Those are slave jobs overseas now. A foundational economic pillar of stable, unionized labour was removed and never replaced.
So certainly, stagnant wages and everything is costing more and giving us less. Our current spiraling situation for workers at home is deplorable and getting worse, a true dystopia. But slavery is another kettle of fish. There's a scene in Roots, the miniseries from the 70s about slavery. When we get to the aftermath of the civil war in the south, a governor told the nervous former slave owners that like peter rabbit trying to get into the garden, when the farmer puts up an obstacle, you just find a way around it. For a time, that meant chattle slaves simply become indentured slaves, working to pay off costs they can never quite catch up on. Once that was abolished, we just laundered our slavery through international borders. Out of sight out of mind for the average American. It's the same people doing the same thing, it's just a shell game. The oppression of the working class is intersectional as fuck with slavery, has the same root cause, and evolved along side slavery, but the human suffering experienced by actual slaves is much worse than the typical underpaid worker, so for me, I don't think it's quite the same thing. But this is just symantics.
Educated in history here (history should have no bias), while there are a greater number of slaves today they represent a smaller portion of the population than during the 1800s. In addition modern slavery is not the same as chattel slavery which is infinitely worse given that it denies the slave's existence as a human being. Im not saying slavery is OK Im just saying your claims aren't entirely accurate.
This comment somehow did not make me feel any better.
Responses from historians will rarely make you feel better, but will help you understand the complexities that people without that specialization often overlook.
Knowledge is its own reward.
Automation means that proportionally fewer slaves can provide more. That "denies the slave's existence as a human being" bit is rather vague. Are you saying modern slavery is not denying the slave's existence as a human being? What does that mean?
Chattel slavery literally denied that slaves were human beings. They were seen as something less than the way many westerners view all animals.
The way they're viewed really isn't the problem. Someone being imprisoned and forced to work really isn't affected by the man with the whips opinions of them, because of they slave away they don't get whipped. They're existence has been stripped too bare for such distinction to make a difference. Slavery is like war and war never changes.
That simply isn't true. When your slaver looks at you as less than human they can justify a lot of mistreatment they would not do to another person.
There's a reason why Western chattel slavery is so vilified because almost every other nation still thought of slaves as people. Chattel slavery thinks of them like livestock.
How is that different from current slaves? Attitude of the general population? Doesn't seem to make much practical difference.
You know how you don't think a monkey is the same thing as a human? It's like that, slaves were seen as smarter than a monkey but not people.
Reminder that slavery was never outright abolished in the US, the constitution explicitly allows slavery as punishment for a crime which is why private for-profit prisons are a thing in the US.
Trying? Abolished? Sigh. Words. Slavery never left. Put all the pretty paint you want on those bars. It's the change of perspective that comes with wisdom. Use that power well.
Lets finally change it. Lets just get up and act, fuck it. I don't want to play the game anymore.
Then be prepared to get hurt. Sure small strikes are tolerable to a government. Strikes that actually disrupt the economy are never tolerated, and are almost always met with police violence. It's literally their first job, to maintain public order. Imagine what would happen if Lockheed Martin employees striked?
We are already hurt.
Individual action won't accomplish anything it has to been collective and coordinated. Without strong unions I don't know how that's possible
They've lured us in with the promise of overtime to get us to work for them more, while keeping our wages artificially low so we have to work overtime.
Too many elite shitbags think they’re rich because it’s ordained when in reality their grammy and pee paw just fucked first.
Nothing divine or important about that.
So the next time you see a rich person give them the finger and a bad look because their family is probably a bunch of tax dodging cock sucking thieves.
Legacies are for insecure shit cunts.
This has always been the case. Look at immigrant exploitation, the truck system, sharecropping, child labor, exporting work to undeveloped countries to exploit unregulated labor forces there.
It was always about bringing back slavery without calling it slavery.
And it will always be so long as we let them keep trying.
Violence is not the answer until the hour that it is.
This is actually a way better and more efficient form of slavery. You need to feed, clothe, house, and medically treat slaves. WAY cheaper to pay minimum wage and tell them to fuck off.
You could pull yourself out of this misery by your own bootstraps. I sell those for only $20. It's not a set though. And they rip easily, better buy some more.
You can work for it, I'll give you one strap per week.
Our only hope is to become a strong union country. Without collective power we'll never reign in the greed of the billionaires
What's this "trying to" bullshit? The for profit prison system and a legal system that punishes people for being poor would suggest they have already largely succeeded. Never mind that slavery is explicitly legal when it comes to prisoners.
Amazon workers with their forced over time go unheard.
You guys don't have a 40 hour work week?
Is this an American thing or a certain industries thing?
Too many elite shitbags think they’re rich because it’s ordained when in reality their grammy and pee paw just fucked first.
Nothing divine or important about that.
So the next time you see a rich person give them the finger and a bad look because their family is probably a bunch of tax dodging cock sucking thieves.
Legacies are for insecure shit cunts.
With enough inequality and without a strong social net, wage labour is equivalent to slavery. They cover the minimum costs of your survival and you spend as much time working as they ask or else they'll find someone more desperate.
Humans get powerful and don't see the point in power unless they can abuse people
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