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[–] JackDark@lemmy.world 180 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In Washington state, you can just be nude. As long as you are not doing anything to be "obscene".

[–] PolyLlamaRous@lemmy.world 79 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oregon too, last I knew at least.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 107 points 3 months ago (2 children)

This is, in fact, what makes Portland's annual naked bike ride event possible.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 38 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)
[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What are you doing, step-city?

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[–] jcs@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

Yes, Portland had decriminalized public nudity if participating in a peaceful protest, while not engaging in sexual conduct, and away from certain restricted areas like parks and schools. The annual naked bike ride is an organized peaceful protest that chooses its route appropriately as to not encroach on any areas where public nudity would otherwise be prohibited.

[–] logos@sh.itjust.works 154 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Same goes for NY.

I know this because at the college I worked at, a city public safety officer walked up to a young man who was sunbathing on campus thinking it was a woman, and told him to put his shirt back on or be charged with indecency or something. The school was outraged and had a shirtless demonstration march around town.

Did a I mention it was an all girls school?

[–] vovo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 3 months ago (8 children)

I found this map: https://gotopless.org/topless-laws The religion behind this site seems kind of strange.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 34 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The religion behind this site seems kind of strange.

Extraterrestrials Created All Life On Earth

Let's Build An Embassy To Welcome Them

[–] vovo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Thats a more plausible explanation than what the big religions offer.

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[–] 7112@lemmy.world 111 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 60 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

It's really just free the nipple, which highlights how ridiculous it is. Even more so when you see images where male nipples have been pasted over female nipples, which would theoretically make those images ok.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm getting flashbacks to Tumblr's "female-presenting nipples" censorship rules during the porn ban.

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 96 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Also legal in Ontario, Canada. A woman was arrested for walking around topless in hot weather. She was finned by police but topless men in the area were not. Ontario courts eventually rulled this was discriminatory but the provincial government did not appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada so the ruling only applies in Ontario.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 41 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah despite there being a law against discrimination, the cops are obviously going to use their subjective view of things like lewd behaviour to charge topless women where they wouldn't men.

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 33 points 3 months ago (2 children)

That's literally the law Ontario courts rulled cannot apply to topless women as it is discrimination.

On July 19, 1991, a sweltering and humid day, Gwen Jacob, a University of Guelph student, was arrested after walking down a street in Guelph, Ontario while topless after removing her shirt when the temperature was 33 °C (91 °F) and was charged with indecency under Section 173(1)(a) of the Criminal Code

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[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Take Oklahoma off your list because in Tulsa they will still arrest any woman who does this. Apparently they refuse to follow that law that was passed.

I know because the city made big fucking stink about it when Tulsa women started to go topless when it was found to be legal. So they passed and ordinance making it illegal within city limits at public spaces so practically everywhere.

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[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 94 points 3 months ago (15 children)

We need to switch from our current American view that all nudity is sexual. If you see a someone naked doesn't automatically make it sexual!

[–] delirious_owl 49 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I mean, sure. But also need to switch from our current US American view that sexuality is bad

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 28 points 3 months ago (12 children)

People need to spend a little time at a nudist resort. They'd learn real quick that naked isn't sexual.

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[–] Botzo@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

True! My first thought is usually drugs without further context.

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[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 75 points 3 months ago (8 children)

Equal protection clause. Any law that imposes itself on women and not men should be unconstitutional.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 70 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

YES
END THE HYPOCRISY
👏 FORCE
👏 MEN
👏 TO
👏 WEAR
👏 SHIRTS!

^^^apologies, i should have appended an '/s'^^^

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago (6 children)

No way am I going swimming like JD Vance.

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[–] dabaldeagul@feddit.nl 31 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Heck nah, free the tiddy. I'm transitioning and I wanna be able to show off what I've grown when I'm able haha

Also just like, can we all stop making everything sexual and let peoples bodies exist. Instead of hiding everything and making ourselves feel ashamed of our bodies

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Free them tiddies!

On a serious note, while I've always believed that boobs aren't inherently sexual, years of bathing people has extended that to all nudity.

Once you get used to seeing people naked all the time, nudity by itself ceases to be sexual. There has to be intent to the nudity to matter.

And it isn't like I didn't bathe attractive boobs and vag (that being what I'm attracted to personally, I'm not into guys), I did. Plenty of them, surprisingly, what with accidents and illnesses being involved (you'd think that illness and injury would reduce the attractiveness overall, what with part of attractiveness being signs of health). Even in nursing homes, there were enough attractive bodies that most people would be surprised.

But it wasn't sexual at all. Well, not for me anyway, some of the patients had moments.

It's just skin.

The flip side of that is that after a while, I just got annoyed at people doing the usual "old people gross" bullshit. No, they aren't, they're just old. Age, disability, none of it makes someone's body unpleasant inherently. Tbh, there's beauty in all of it after I got past the initial dissonance with nudity in general. That "I'm not supposed to be seeing this" that we get drilled into us.

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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

I mean.....I have self body issues. I wear a hoodie in the summer when it's nearly 100F.

But I was thinking we go the other way on this. Ladies, just because I'M ashamed of my body, and cover up, doesn't mean YOU need to! Let the girls get some air!

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[–] femtech@midwest.social 57 points 3 months ago (14 children)
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[–] deathbysnusnu@lemmy.world 49 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] stoicmaverick@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

Username checks out.

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[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 37 points 3 months ago

I was told (but didnt confirm this) that in Barcelona you can go full nude almost everywhere and there is a naked guy on a bike that is pretty famous there (didnt get to see him fortunately?)

[–] Disgracefulone 33 points 3 months ago (18 children)

Why is it not legal everywhere that it is for men? This is ass backwards lol. I just always assumed it was more of a women saying "not gonna do that cause pervs" type thing and how overly sexualized boobs are

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[–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

AFAIK anyone can go fully nude in most public spaces in Germany. It's actually kind of weirder to not allow it and carve out arbitrary exceptions if you think about it.

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[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 27 points 3 months ago (14 children)

The prohibition on public exposure of breasts by women and girls over 10 years old is now gone from the city code as of this week.

I never thought I'd be conflicted on this, because I am absolutely of the opinion that female breasts and nipples shouldn't be treated as exclusively sexual body parts, especially since men have them too and we aren't held to that standard.

But being confronted with the idea that 10-17 year old girls can now bare their breasts in public without restraint reminds me that treating female bodies as non-sexual is great as an ethos, but it is not reflective of reality, and that this specifically could be problematic.

But how to solve it? You can't make it an 18+ only rule, or you're further entrenching the idea that female breasts are exclusively sexual and adult, but if you let teens and tweens go topless, they will be sexualized / ogled / photographed by adult men, and that's a bad precedent to set as acceptable. We usually treat photographs of underage female breasts as a form of CSAM, but can we still say that if we're treating female breasts as non-sexual? This is an interesting new line to draw, given societal attitudes on adolescent nudity.

Regretfully, I believe that the true problem is men. The reason women have to cover their breasts is because they have to protect themselves from men. I'm all for bodily liberation and the de-sexualization of female existence, but we need an overhaul on our society's attitudes towards women in general if we're going to get there. Maybe bare breasts help get us there. Maybe girls need to learn the right way how to kick a man in the balls before they go topless.

[–] Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 3 months ago

I feel like the simple solution is that if you can't have topless kids because of pervs, then you can't have topless kids and gender isn't part of it

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)
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[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I support this for all the reasons. All the right ones. And all the wrong ones.

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[–] OkGo@lemm.ee 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In America, here in France is a right nationwide ✊

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