Well, good, it shows CNN is being fair and not solely checking Trump's lies.
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What happened to CNN being "fake news"? CNN is probably lying here too, right? Odd that this would be in a conservative community, but it is just too tempting not to post because of confirmation bias, I suppose.
This post just shows how oblivious most propagandists are to cognitive dissonance.
No, even the shitty, biased to dems, CNN is calling out their bullshit - when your own turns on you, it's a pretty clear sign.
If you'd read the article, you'd know what they're saying is accurate. They explain each point, and if you bother to stay abreast of the subjects, you'd know what CNN is talking about.
when your own turns on you, it's a pretty clear sign.
24 former Trump allies and aides who turned against him
Former Trump officials are among the most vocal opponents of returning him to the White House
Full List of Former Donald Trump Officials Refusing to Endorse Him
I'm sure you meant something else though.
These fact checking posts have been done by CNN since the age of time and have been fairly even when calling out bad information.
It still doesn't negate the fact that CNN is still on your "fake news" list.
When have I ever called cnn fakes news? It’s the source I most often cite
Didn't you know? It's like the #1 mantra of most conservatives. Eesh. Even I know what you are supposed to hate more than you do. It's not like I haven't heard it enough from the mouths of your political leaders.
Or maybe you are acting in bad faith.
That would be you and your nationalist wanna-be propagandist buddies on this community.
So now cnn is nationalist propaganda? Is your chalgpt broken?
In the context of your post on a conservative community, yes.
When the leader of the Republican party is a convicted felon and self-proclaimed nationalist, its not a far stretch to say that anyone who is supporting that, is also a nationalist.
Nearly all the posts here are not so much pro-Republican as they are anti-Democrat. Hardly any of these posts are supporting an agenda to make the country better, it's to stir hate and divisiveness.
So you hate America? Typical liberal response.
Desperate for a mean response, hu? How you managed to pull that out of my comment is bizarre. It's a generic response when someone has nothing else to say.
I am saying that you are openly engaging in nationalist behavior. There are hardly any posts of yours that actually promote Republicans as a valid party with any agenda. Nearly every post is designed to cast Democrats in a bad light. That last bit is actually fine, if you also posted similar news about the GOP.
What you are doing is just telling people what you hate and how you want other people to hate, about things you were told to hate. That isn't patriotic and is the exact playbook of Nazi Germany. It doesn't matter what your party does that makes the country better, it's about blaming others for random shit to get them pissed off.
Conservatism is dead. All that is left of them are blowhards, con artists and very gullible people. If you actually read Project 2025, you will see that it was a collaboration between quite a few conservative interest groups and not just one man or one group. It outlines the plans for a dictatorship in the United States. That is about as anti-Democacy as you can get, and those are your people.
Nationalism is believing in your country and doing what is best for your country. Is a very GOOD thing. You seem to think America shouldn't be the focus of our leaders.
You Godwin the conversation in 4 replies. Well done. The Democrats are much more like the Nazis than the Republican party.
Conservatism isn't dead. It is far from dead. If it was dead then why is Florida and Texas doing so well? Why are blue people moving to red states?
Why would I read 2025? it has nothing to do with the election. I don't get the fascination with the left trying to bring up irrelevant things to scare people.
"Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first." - Charles de Gaulle
Charles was a nationalist, so much so that Gaullism was actually a thing. However, it's more important to use his definitions rather than his words, for or against, any specific action or justification. This article explains that very well: https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2018/11/43935/
I think hate is only when it’s jingoism. Every country should do what’s best for their people. You should be proud to be French, British, American or whatever country you are from.
This is what you are describing as good: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_conservatism
Here is a national conservative group that aligns with that: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Freedom_Party
By describing nationalism as a good thing, you are ignoring a massive amount of context. Jingoism only refers to hostile foreign policy and war mongering. As a veteran of the second Iraq and Afghanistan wars, I clearly saw the "jingoistic" nature of the Republican party as a whole. Hell, not only am a US veteran, I have nice firearms collection and enough ammunition components to survive two or three apocalypses. That doesn't mean I have to tolerate the nationalist behavior of people that think they are "conservative".
The abhorrent anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric from the GOP should be just one single example of how Christian Nationalism is not "good for all people". The repealing of Roe vs. Wade was not "good for all people". Politicians publicly embracing Q-Anon conspiracy theories is not "good for all people". Supporting and justifying the actions of the Proud Boys is not "good for all people". Creating plans like "Project 2025" to convert the US into a dictatorship is not "good for all people".
Are you calling me unpatriotic because I refuse to accept that Republican politicians are doing all of the above? You, by accepting, tolerating and even supporting any of this is bizarre and is not patriotic. It's disgusting, to be honest.
You keep moving the goal post around. American nationalism is good for Americans. French nationalism is good for France.
I’m not a fan of Christian nationalism as it’s not American nationalism. It isn’t doing what’s best for your country.
I’m a veteran of gulf war 1 and the war on terror. So thank you for your service.
You know what? Instead of getting into the weeds here, you keep telling people that nationalism is a good thing. Go right ahead.
You the missed the point entirely, but whatever. My client is out of room to continue this thread properly anyway.
If anything, I am grouping nationalism together. Stop with that trite "moving goalposts" bullshit. There is nothing I am avoiding here. From the start, your flavor of nationalism is how I quoted Gaulle which encompasses your particular flavor of American nationalism.
Nationalism has nothing to do with patriotism and you are conflating the two. American nationalism is just as toxic as any other form of nationalism and it aligns perfectly with the examples of rhetoric I called out. You gave a perfect example of "if you don't agree with this thing, the you are anti-patriotic or anti-american".
Like it or hate it, Christian Nationalism has infected what was once american conservatism and the Republican party. The only thing "conservative" politicians do these days is complain about everyone else that isn't "conservative" or "christian". If you claim to be Republican and disagree with Trumpisim, you then become a RINO.
Fuck that "thank you for your service" bullshit. It's borderline insulting and not a single service member I know would ever say that to another.
I am not conflating the two at all. American nationalism happened after the civil war. It’s what defined us as a nation.
Yet you start going on about Christian nationalism which has nothing to do with nationalism as a country. It’s just a weird rant
Weird I know plenty of veterans who say it to other veterans.
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It’s what the word means. Don’t troll r1
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Second warning. Stop trolling.
Go look at the dictionary.
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noun identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations. "their nationalism is tempered by a desire to join the European Union
Also your definition matches what I said.
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Do you really believe that it’s a good idea to make a point of excluding amd harming the rest of the world?
That is isolationism and not nationalism.
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No you created an incorrect definition. Isolationism isn’t nationalism. It’s America first.
If you think looking after your citizens first is and then I need to understand why you hate your fellow Americans. Shouldn’t we be fixing our problems instead of policing the world? Shouldn’t we be creating jobs in America instead of countries that abuse people? I don’t get the liberal fascination with wanting children to work to have cheap iPhones or slaves labor in China for their shoes. It’s weird.
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I am acting in good faith. You’re producing word salad then upset when I don’t agree with you word salad.
I denied your made up version and used the correct version. I put no words in your mouth. Maybe you should go back and look at your word salad.
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Remember when the jingoistic chodes were saying that anyone who is against the war in Iraq hates America?
Meanwhile, their fellow reactionaries were wearing secessionist merch.
Nobody hates real Americans like conservatives; their whole platform is "identity politics," where the only approved identity is "backwards, ignorant reactionary."
You wrote "even" which has obvious implications about reliability. Be real, my dude.
Man, wouldn't it be neat if Fox would start fact checking Trump...? I mean, obvs. no one is gonna believe CNN when they check Trump, so Fox should do it, since they're believable.
Right?
Wouldn't that be neat?
So, they fact-checked one claim by Trump. One.
Let's see them do a whole speech.
They have. I post them when I see them. I don’t go to fox very often. CNN is my go to for news
I've been watching for the last three decades, seeing very little truth on Fox. You can pretend otherwise, if you want.