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Israeli airstrikes killed dozens of people including two families in both Gaza and Lebanon, while Hezbollah fired a volley of 55 rockets into northern Israel in response.

World leaders urged restraint and tried to frame the ceasefire negotiations as heading in a positive direction.

But in an interview with Sky News, the leader of Hamas in Lebanon told us no progress had been made so far at the talks and the two sides appear to be just as far apart as ever.

Hamas is not at the negotiations but messages and updates have been passed on to them on the sidelines.

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[–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 87 points 2 months ago (11 children)

I firmly believe that there won’t be peace as long as Israel exists on Palestinian land. And before people claim random stuff on what I say; sure Israel can exist but not on Palestinian land while genociding the native people. For example, US is their biggest enabler and supporter.. So perhaps they can allow Israel to exist within US.

I know, it’s wishful thinking.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 77 points 2 months ago (30 children)

sure Israel can exist but not on Palestinian land

And not as an ethnostate. No matter which ethnicity is favored, establishing and maintaining an ethnostate necessitates violent oppression and persecution of other ethnicities.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ethnostates have no right to exist.

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[–] flicker@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

When I was maybe 10 years old back in the 90s I asked my Dad why we put a bunch of people in a heavily populated area "when Montana is just sitting there empty. I mean, someone uses the land and we get like, taxes and museums and maybe an amusement park, right?"

He seemed genuinely poleaxed.

I still don't have an answer to this day!

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's an easy question so I'll answer it: there are no resources for people or there.

Lots of these places don't even have roads to access them. Meanwhile, the roads that we do have are in a state of catastrophic disrepair.

If you spread everyone out evenly, the resources would also be too spread out. It doesn't do any good to have one hospital say every 100 or 200 miles because then the resources have to be spread out as well. It makes more sense to have one large hospital in the city that has all the specialty, doctors and equipment, and then smaller medical centers outside the city. And it's that way with everything from food production to car repair to retail.

You'd get a museum out there in the middle of nowhere, and there would be less traffic at the good museum in the city where they have the rarest largest exhibits. Instead of having some good museums and some less good museums, you'd have a bunch of mediocre ones. Let your dad know!

[–] flicker@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He's dead? So tell him yourself I guess lol.

Anyways, why would you "spread everyone out evenly?" We stuffed them into a tiny space that was already occupied. One assumes they'd be plopped into a town, which would centralize creating things like roads.

And the roads in Montana might suck, but there should be some kind of domestic package at play that would help from the federal level to create things like roads and water treatment and all that. Compared to how much we give Isreal now... could've put that money into development somewhere stateside.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago

Sorry for your loss. Maybe I misunderstood your hypothetical. For what we've paid Israel, it seems like we've gotten a war that has killed ~50,000 people. I would argue that it also gets us an order of peace in the middle east which so far has avoided a wider war involving larger regional powers that might kill 50 million people. There are more countries in Europe, Asia and North Africa than not which are likely to collapse if faced with tens of millions more more war refigees fleeing the Middle East. The world doesn't want another failed state in the Middle East, let alone multiple additional failed states in the Middle East and North Africa. I agree with your sentiment but it's not black and white.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

We’ll give them Florida

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

For example, US is their biggest enabler and supporter.. So perhaps they can allow Israel to exist within US.

They can have ~~Oklahoma~~ Nebraska and Kansas. They'll have many times as much lebensraum and the ones currently in charge there have proven to not be responsible enough to run a state.

As a bonus, there's hardly any Muslim-Americans living there now, so evacuating them all to other states of their choosing before Israelis arrive to potentially endanger them should be completely doable!

[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

You realize Oklahoma is already where we forcibly relocated a lot of the Native Americans to, right? I know you mean well, but 😬

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Ah fuck. I knew but I forgot lol. Kansas and Nebraska, then 😁

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago

Mean well? C'mon, that was an unserious trollish comment.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

A massive portion of Israelis have dual citizenship. If there was some kind of one-state solution that combined the two, returned much of the stolen land back to the original Palestinians and gave everyone full rights, those people would pack up and go voluntarily but also claim that they were violently forced out and that the whole thing is a pogrom.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's beyond wishful thinking Christians want a Jewish Israel as much if not more than Zionist Jews because the end of days cannot happen without a Jewish Israel.

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

What they don’t understand is that’s supposed to be a warning against upcoming catastrophie, not a guide.

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

The US could end this today if Biden called Netanyahu and told him no more weapons until a ceasefire happens. It worked for both Reagan and Clinton in the past.

Biden is cucked by a right wing fundamentalist government. It’s sad.

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[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 31 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Israelis are only good at killing civilians. They can’t defeat an armed resistance so they take it out on women and children.

The region has been cursed by the worst invaders since the Mongols.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 13 points 2 months ago

In 2006 hezbollah killed less than 50 Israeli civilians meanwhile Israel bombed Beirut and killed thousands of civilians.

The claim that they are the world's most moral military was never true. They were always, from their inception, the most unhinged, brutal and barbaric military. They are on par with the Nazis that they claim to hate.

[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, this is exactly what they've wanted all along. Hamas was just an excuse that Bibi has been building for decades

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

Yes, talks about a second Nakba went mainstream a couple of years before the attack.

https://www.972mag.com/second-nakba-mainstream-israeli-right/

So ignoring intelligence on a coming attack was intentional.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html

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[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 30 points 2 months ago

If you don't like Bombing Children your ANTISEMITIC!

[–] frankgrimeszz@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The children’s shoes were anti-semetic.

[–] Blue0x@programming.dev 10 points 2 months ago

They belonged to a hamas leader /s

[–] jumjummy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Absolutely horrible, but anyone else question the placement of these teddy bears? Just looks like it was staged (not the attack, but the picture with the teddy bear)

[–] IvyisAngy@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It was probably moved to get a better picture, doesn't mean they didn't find it in the rubble though.

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[–] RandomGuy79@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Man they probably shouldn't have been there

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