games

Arueshalae my beloved

yeah im basic fucking fight me

the game reminded me of the final expansion to NWN, The Hordes of the Underdark, in a good way.

I don't share the enthusiasm.

The worldbuilding of PF is better than that of D&D, which allows for writing that is somewhat better than usual, but the writing is still kind of trapped by stuff like the class and alignment systems. And, of course, there are some moments of ludonarrative dissonance.
Also, Wenduag romance makes no sense as most characters.
I do not have an in-depth familiarity with the lich plotline, but, from what I gather, it contains a mandatory moment of out-of-character stupidity on the part of the main character.

The combat is on the D&D 3.5e chassis, and you don't get the freedom of, for example, shoving or picking up and throwing entities and things like what BG3 allows you to do. Your choices are largely concentrated in the decisions you make for your builds, and not in how you actually approach encounters.

On the other hand, WotR absolutely does offer a challenge over, say, BG3. It is a lot less trivial to get through the former than through the latter.
I also do like quite a few of the WotR companions more than BG3's Wyll and Halsin.

I do agree that WotR does deserve consideration if one liked BG3, especially if one wants more depth and variety when it comes to builds.

I would also like to mention that I had more fun with Pillars of Eternity 2. I think it has much better writing than what D&D and PF games can offer in general, and I do like PoE2's focus on colonialism specifically. I also like PoE mechanics much more than D&D/PF mechanics.

Yeah but can you have your boobs and willy out

I would entirely agree with this if I wasn't playing Rogue Trader right now, and I think Owlcat have outdone themselves. I am enjoying RT more than even Wrath of the Righteous, which was already one of the best CRPGs I have played.

There are too many cRPGs and too little time, ugh. WotR has been on my list for such a long time, working full-time has shrunk my play time immeasurably. I miss that about college, even if I can afford games better now.

The Pathfinder system is far superior to DnD 5E and the sheer scale of the story is incredible.

Pathfinder really is the best form of D&D and it's not even close. I always thought 5e sucked but getting into Pathfinder made me realize exactly how much and in exactly what ways.

Owlcat games slap in general. Kingmaker, WotR, and Rogue Trader were all fun as hell.

Does it have co op?

I happened to make a mod for this ages ago: https://github.com/SleeplessOne1917/WOTRDamageBreakdown

Unfortunately, I don't think it works with the current version of the game. I really need to update it at some point.

I used to play a lot of CRPGs, but after playing BG3 so much they all feel kinda lacklustre and janky in comparison. I wasn't that much of a fan of kingmaker, but I know a lot of people say this one's a lot better so I might try it out at some point. I'm a total nerd for trying out different builds, so all the class options and stuff definitely interest me.

I can't quite pin it down, but maybe the BG3 characters felt a bit "glossy" compared to Owlcat's? Or perhaps it's a side effect of voice acting making complex conversations drag, and lose a lot of the descriptive depth that text allows - not that they did a bad job of it!

I didn't really like any of the characters in WotR or BG3, but in WotR they felt more interesting - ah! Part of it was definitely that all the BG3 characters were like a parody of inappropriate backstories, "You would know me as Fuckslayer the Legendary Badass, Level 1", "I'm actually an Archmage, but I got knocked out in a cutscene and all my XP fell out of my pockets".

Honestly I like the Demon a bit better for evilness, Lich is very good and thematic but that makes it a bit boring since you are locked into caster which again, makes thematic sense but I kind of would've liked a Dead Knight version as well, Demon has quite a bit going for it when you reach the abyss.

Swarm just sucks as a path the only one that's worse is japester (trickster).

As for the game itself I dislike stuff like the whole crusade mechanic that just adds more stuff to do which makes going for different mythic playthroughs painful it didn't need it and I'd prefer if they cut down on a lot of this stuff since the different mythic paths are excellent.

Added to my wishlist to one day toss on my cRPG pile that I am amassing since every time I wanna play one I buy a new one and realize I suck at them all over again.

Speaking of, all the owlcat games are in a humble bundle rn

I couldn't get into BG3 having played KM/WotR. I absolutely love experimenting with different builds and exploring all the quirks of the system, I never beat either of them because I love restarting with new character ideas. I actually didn't love the extra buffs you get in WotR because I enjoy the early/low power levels more. I also like some of the limitations of KM since I get a little overwhelmed with choices in WotR. Most of my time has actually been spent on KM's Tenebrous Depths DLC where I solo the random dungeon with permadeath to turn the game into a rougelike, which gives me the opportunity to try out so many builds.

I'm a pen-and-paper veteran, and the system is really interesting to me but generally in person I don't want to go crazy with rules exploits, so these games are really fun because I don't have to worry about that, and the system is full of weird quirks.

Both games are fantastic, and WotR definitely has some QoL improvements.

I wish I could get into Wrath more. I've tried twice now and bounced off. I legit think I can't get into the characters enough due to them just being avatar pics and fairly undetailed map models. The ole Bioware cut scene style of BG3 likely kept me going there.

I'm gonna be honest. I like PF2E more than DND 5e, but I like BG3 / Larian more than Owlcat games. Too many QoL things like complete respec, fully voiced cutscenes. Honestly probably BG3 being a bit more simple (and I'm playing a 5e campaign) helps a lot. I just don't have time to play games like I used to. Harder games are time sinks for me that I increasingly don't have. I know Owlcat games have insanely detailed difficulty adjustment systems.

I really liked the part of the Azata path where I found the demonic slave market and could free all the slaves (I figured fighting over it might get most of them killed, so paid for them), then the game was like "btw, wanna kill all those slavers?" And I killed the shit out of them and took all my money back.

Also being an inquisitor on the Azata path meant my entire party could share my teamwork feats, which was literally all of the teamwork feats.

I didn’t realize Pathfinder put out video games. Does it actually use the Pathfinder system?

Wizards of the Coast are serial assholes that keep trying to force people to pay subscriptions and otherwise wring as much money out of them as possible, so I am pleased Paizo is doing well, including in CRPG treatments.

My favorite memory of the two Pathfinder games, and I mean this unironically, is doing that infamous quest in Kingmaker right near the start where you have to fight swarms. Level 1 combat against enemies immune to weapon damage – you have to actually consider your options and possibly accept turning down the difficulty. That interplay of character options and enemy immunities is, in my opinion, the core gameplay of CRPGs.

I found it rather janky and just couldn't get into it despite really wanting another crpg to play. The camera controls and party movement just really felt awful for me. I'm also not super familiar with pathfinder and the last exposure I had with it I was playing Kingmaker which wasn't a bad game, but also I sorta didn't find it the most enjoyable thing. I bounced off WotR in the tutorial. Compared to BG3 where the combat encounters were still basic through the tutorial on the nautiloid they were peppered in enough for me to grow accustomed to the combat while also giving me space, in the start of WotR you're running down some caves with bugs attacking you every 50 feet or so and even then the combat felt like it had no weight. After the caves, the idea that there's a maze waiting for me and it's probably full of more lackluster combat encounters but it's also a maze just made me peace out.