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We played Valve’s secret new shooter: Deadlock (www.theverge.com)
submitted 3 months ago by ayla@beehaw.org to c/gaming@beehaw.org
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It’s like Overwatch, Dota 2, and Team Fortress 2 all baked into a pie.

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[–] CTDummy@lemm.ee 62 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

And I’m not under NDA. I have signed no contracts, made no verbal agreements; I haven’t even clicked through a EULA.  This message does pop up when I launch Deadlock, but I didn’t click OK; instead, I hit the Escape key and watched it disappear.

I’m not a lawyer but I sure hope the writer of this checked with a lawyer before posting because that does not sound right.

Edit: Thank you Vodulas for pointing out this update appended to the article.

Update, August 12th: Turns out Valve was not fine with me trying Deadlock with friends; I’ve been banned from matchmaking! Oh well. Please feel free to make fun of me in the comments!

[–] Virkkunen@fedia.io 34 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There is no NDA to sign or anything though, only this pop up warning. Valve can't sue you for sharing details of the game but they absolutely can remove you from the play testing and/or ban you from ever playing it again for this.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 20 points 3 months ago

Which they did. There is an update at the end of the article. Just a thoughtless move by that author

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 27 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Usually the first line in these agreements is "by using this software you agree..." And not "by pressing okay you agree..."

Though I also am not sure how that itself would hold up in court.

[–] Nilz@sopuli.xyz 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Didn't we reach a point where EULAs are non-enforcable? Or is that just in the EU? But regardless, Valve can just ban you and good luck doing anything about it.

[–] HKayn@dormi.zone 17 points 3 months ago

Certain clauses may be unenforceable, but not the entire EULA.

[–] CTDummy@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I’ll have to see if I’ve got a copy of an NDA I signed for play testing but that’s what I would have thought. It would be provisional on your participation not on an agreement like old school EULAs. As someone else pointed out it seems to be in closed beta or some form of early access, so maybe Valve won’t care and it won’t come back on them.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 5 points 3 months ago

At best they ignore it. At worst, they never invite the user to test anything again. I doubt they'd issue an account ban for that. Not even sure if they can straight up ban you from the platform anyway and lock you out of your games entirely; pretty sure the bans are limited to VAC secured servers for online play and the array of community features like posting on the forums.

[–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 19 points 3 months ago

Lawyers hate this one simple trick

[–] powerofm@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Looks like anyone who has access can invite their steam friends, so I guess it's like closed beta? Seems weird to have something soft-launch with zero announcements. The design also looks very rudimentary. Im

[–] CTDummy@lemm.ee 33 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I’m-

RIP. Taken out by Valve legal team already, everyone bail.

[–] Virkkunen@fedia.io 12 points 3 months ago

It's a closed alpha test claiming everything is placeholder content and could/will change while they flesh out the design, hence why they don't want you to share anything.

[–] Eggyhead@lemmings.world 37 points 3 months ago (2 children)

A new shooter from valve? Hell yeah!!

a hero shooter

Oh. Never mind then.

[–] Crotaro@beehaw.org 40 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I absolutely get where you're coming from, but to be fair Team Fortress is basically a hero shooter as well, except that there can be multiples of the same "hero" on the battlefield at the same time. Or - and I'm genuinely asking because I haven't played "hero shooters" in that long - am I missing a core distinction of hero shooters?

[–] Eggyhead@lemmings.world 16 points 3 months ago

I was thinking something more in line with a narrative story-based shooter like half life. TF2 and other competitive shooter arena games were never really my thing.

[–] Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So a class shooter?

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 3 points 3 months ago

Same thing, innit, the only difference is the plot

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

TF2 is a class based team deathmatch FPS. One class, one character.

In hero shooters you have multiple characters with different abilities that make them distinct from each other, yet all can conform to a certain class type and role.

[–] homicidalrobot@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

Someone has never played a round of highlander.

[–] irasponsible@beehaw.org 7 points 3 months ago

It's barely a hero shooter - it's just a MOBA

[–] AFallingAnvil@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Anyone else feel disappointed it's just another MOBA? Like, this is territory Smite has been treading for years.

[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 12 points 3 months ago

Mobas are not my thing. Thought this might be cool, but it's literally just an over the shoulder moba. Honestly, it didn't feel fresh at all.

[–] Jimbo@yiffit.net 3 points 3 months ago

this is territory Smite has been treading for years.

And Paragon/Predecessor

[–] captain_oni@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 months ago

Specially since apparently it has some of the most toxic mechanics I hate from MOBAS (last hit, creep denial) and another that I just hate (itemization ) after playing MOBAS that did away with it, and actually felt much more fun to play (Dawngate and Heroes of the Storm).

[–] jaxiiruff@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 months ago

The gameplay is braindead just like most mobas and is not anything like TF2. Its smite with guns.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

On the one hand, not a big fan of moba or purely PVP games.

On the other, I deeply dislike overwatch specifically and would like to see it dead. Maybe this would make a dent.

[–] Manapany@jlai.lu 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I never understood this attitude of wanting soooo bad a game to be dead. If you don't like it don't play it. Let other ppl have their fun.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 11 points 3 months ago

Sometimes you feel like the shittier game took players from the game you'd rather be playing.

Sometimes you feel like the shittier game is kind of a knockoff, and it feels bad when that succeeds.

Sometimes a game is made by a horrible company with a history of abuse from its high ranking staff.

[–] Rozz@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Maybe Overwatch beat them up and stole their lunch money.

[–] VulKendov@reddthat.com 1 points 3 months ago

Overwatch basically killed Battleborn when it launched, it'd be kinda ironic if Overwatch was killed by another MOBA shooter.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 7 points 3 months ago

Their definition of “secret” seems very different from mine.

[–] etchinghillside@reddthat.com 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How not battle royal.

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Valve do what they want, not what's flavour-of-the-month

[–] HER0@beehaw.org 5 points 3 months ago

Well, sometimes they do flavour-of-the-month, but only when they want to, not because they exclusively chase trends.

[–] averyminya@beehaw.org 7 points 3 months ago

I got in today, got to play a few matches. It was pretty fun, I'm not huge on MOBA's but I'm not entirely against them. I liked games like Sanctum and Sanctum 2 (this isn't really like those, since those are tower defenses) but it's got the same vibe going. Turning a familiar genre and adapting it into a different perspective. The characters I've played have been interesting, I haven't loved them all but it seems like a decently well rounded cast. There's some really good gameplay moments in there though with some of the character abilities. Playing slow and methodically has been working out well for me.

Interested to see what will change. It's a bit chaotic right now, in some good ways and in some difficult to see ways. I have noticed a couple of the same characters in every game, can't tell if it's out of interest or if people knowing they are very strong. I like it though so far, it's pretty easy to get the opponent tilted if in a single lane. Steal their soul points, push them with damage just enough to annoy them, punish when they start making mistakes

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

Someone's about to lose their preferential access

[–] gloombert@beehaw.org 1 points 3 months ago

i was kind of hoping it would be less generic but im sure some people will still like it once its out :D