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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by micnd90@hexbear.net to c/news@hexbear.net

The lib meltdown would be glorious. Usually not a fan of Erdogan or NATO, but this would be so funny

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[-] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 91 points 2 months ago

Article 5 doesn't exist. NATO does whatever the US wants at any moment, it doesn't matter what any article or contract says.

[-] ComradePlatypus@hexbear.net 46 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah this. Like it didn't activate in the Falklands War for a bunch of reasons, but it would've had the USA wanted to bomb and overthrow Argentina's government.

Which they didn't as it was an anti-communist military junta.

[-] VHS@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Even taking it at face value, wouldn't Isn'treal have to attack Turkey first?

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 37 points 2 months ago

Erdogan will huff and puff and sell $50 million in missiles to Israel

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago

Disregard that, micnd90. It's a bunch of Erdogan bullshit.

[-] LocalOaf@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago

Live Erdogan reaction: both-sides

[-] crime@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Article 5 provides that if a NATO Ally is the victim of an armed attack, each and every other member of the Alliance will consider this act of violence as an armed attack against all members and will take the actions it deems necessary to assist the Ally attacked.

sicko-yes

over/under on this:

a) dissolving NATO
b) getting Turkiye removed from NATO

bc I assume it doesn't result in NATO member states doing anything to Isntreal

[-] Breath_Of_The_Snake@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago

There was a lot of discussion about the possibility of Italy becoming communist and how to prepare against that. There are expulsion or suspension mechanisms and those were considered to be off the table as an addition, so the general idea was that if a nation is not fulfilling the “values” of the charter or able to be expected to fulfill obligations it has no expectation of having the obligations to it met.

Another point that was raised in the context of a member state becoming communist is that would likely leave anyways, which deflated some of the worry about not having a removal mechanism explicitly laid out.

[-] SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago

biden-alert theres so thing called article 5, Jack

(Israel Attacks a NATO member) biden-forgor

[-] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

They would just argue Israel is the victim of Turkish aggression and not the other way around so Article 5 doesn’t apply even if Israel retaliates.

[-] micnd90@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

In theory precedent says who attacked first didn't matter. The US was bombing Afghanistan for 20 years, but when 911 happened the US invoked article 5 and every single NATO country had to donate blood to the cause and suffered fatalities in Afghanistan.

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

They'd take (b) because the only thing Euros hate more than each other is Muslims.

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago

If he was going to help or intervene he would have done so already. All bark and no bite.

This is one of the most insane Erdogan comments, am I wrong? This can't be serious.

[-] micnd90@hexbear.net 40 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

On face value this is the sanest Erdogan comment. There is nothing wrong with international multilateral intervention to stop an ongoing genocide

Yes it is entirely too sane to be a statement in international politics talking about actually doing something so it has to be a complete lie

[-] SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

Yeah, but he doesn't actually give a shit. Erdogan is happy being a NATO puppet and ethnically cleansing northern Syria

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

Not saying it's gonna happen but all the "Russia this" and "Russia that" talk over the years only to result in Israel destabilizing and causing friction in NATO with their genocidal settler avarice would be extremely funny.

[-] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

watermelon seller shit

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