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The lib meltdown would be glorious. Usually not a fan of Erdogan or NATO, but this would be so funny

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[-] crime@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Article 5 provides that if a NATO Ally is the victim of an armed attack, each and every other member of the Alliance will consider this act of violence as an armed attack against all members and will take the actions it deems necessary to assist the Ally attacked.

sicko-yes

over/under on this:

a) dissolving NATO
b) getting Turkiye removed from NATO

bc I assume it doesn't result in NATO member states doing anything to Isntreal

[-] Breath_Of_The_Snake@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago

There was a lot of discussion about the possibility of Italy becoming communist and how to prepare against that. There are expulsion or suspension mechanisms and those were considered to be off the table as an addition, so the general idea was that if a nation is not fulfilling the “values” of the charter or able to be expected to fulfill obligations it has no expectation of having the obligations to it met.

Another point that was raised in the context of a member state becoming communist is that would likely leave anyways, which deflated some of the worry about not having a removal mechanism explicitly laid out.

[-] SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago

biden-alert theres so thing called article 5, Jack

(Israel Attacks a NATO member) biden-forgor

[-] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

They would just argue Israel is the victim of Turkish aggression and not the other way around so Article 5 doesn’t apply even if Israel retaliates.

[-] micnd90@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

In theory precedent says who attacked first didn't matter. The US was bombing Afghanistan for 20 years, but when 911 happened the US invoked article 5 and every single NATO country had to donate blood to the cause and suffered fatalities in Afghanistan.

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

They'd take (b) because the only thing Euros hate more than each other is Muslims.

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