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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's fun to expect things. And it's weird to expect someone to be positive about everything when they were just accusing you of only being miserable about the election.

But yes, I am very positive about the election right now.

[–] upto60percentoff@kbin.run -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think both are incredibly weird but you do you, boo

I take it this means you've reconsidered your previous opinion that Biden is the only viable candidate for the democrats

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That was never my opinion. My opinion was that Biden (and a lot of others) believed that, and almost no one ran against him. So if people wanted someone else to run instead of Biden, it was too late. And they didn't canvass for anyone else anyway, something they got mad about when I asked them who they canvassed for.

But I was wrong about it being too late because I honestly did not think Biden would do this.

[–] upto60percentoff@kbin.run -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Pointedly asking people who their preferred candidate is to Biden doesn't fit that narrative, though.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How does it not fit that narrative? If everyone canvassed for another candidate, there might have been a legitimate primary challenge. But almost all the people who complained about Biden didn't do that. So asking who their preferred candidate was and asking them why they didn't canvass for them seems apt to me.

[–] upto60percentoff@kbin.run -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ignoring that asking about canvassing isn't all you did, expecting people to canvas to have an opinion on politics is so nonsensical it actually brings us full circle to the deliberately ridiculous original comment I left.

How is expecting people to canvas before having an opinion any better than expecting people to donate? It reeks of elitism.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What? Canvass before having an opinion? It had been three years into Biden's presidency when the election year started. People didn't have an opinion of whether or not he should run or who else should be president by then?

You're right, I don't expect them to canvass. They clearly are very politically unaware.

[–] upto60percentoff@kbin.run -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You're really doubling down at every opportunity?

How is expecting people to canvas before having an opinion more justifiable than expecting them to donate before having one?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Again- why did they not have an opinion after three years of Biden's presidency?

[–] upto60percentoff@kbin.run 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The point being that you went from not believing anybody else could do the job to believing in Harris because it turns out that if somebody isn't campaigning then they don't seem a viable candidate?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Never said no one else could do the job. Why are you lying?

I said no one did any major canvassing for anyone else. I said it to you again in this conversation. That's a simple fact. I'm sorry you don't like facts so much that you have to lie.

Also, candidates don't win primaries by magic. You have to get people to vote for them. That involves canvassing. Either you're incredibly ignorant about the electoral process or you're trolling. The lie makes me think the latter.

[–] upto60percentoff@kbin.run 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you pointedly and repeatedly demand which alternate candidate somebody canvassed for, then one of three things is true:

  • You don't think an alternate candidate exists
  • You think somebody needs to canvas to hold an opinion
  • You think there is an alternate candidate, but are just being difficult for the sake of it

Why bother pretending otherwise?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you pointedly and repeatedly demand which alternate candidate somebody canvassed for

This is a lie, I ask. I do not demand. After two lies, and that is the second, I don't bother reading further. The rest of your comment was a waste of your time.

[–] upto60percentoff@kbin.run 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm trying to figure out if you've convinced yourself of this or if you're just trying to avoid appearing wrong on the internet. Utterly fascinating.

For reference, demand would very obviously be a synonym of ask in this case.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And now you're doubling down on your lie, so we're done here.