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Biden calls for justice after footage released of police killing Black woman
(www.theguardian.com)
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The thing I found most interesting about the whole interaction is that the first thing the police say to her when they make contact is "we looked around outside and didn't find anyone". Like they're challenging her to contradict them.
That is technically true, but it omits some very relevant information, i.e. that they found a vehicle parked nearby which had very clearly been broken into. That might not have happened that evening, but they don't know that. And they don't mention it when they talk to her. They instead start by saying that the reason she called (she heard a prowler) could not be confirmed. This statement sets up the entire tone of their interaction. There's nobody for them to arrest, so now they're clearly annoyed that she's wasting their time. They start treating her like a suspect instead of a victim. They want her name, her ID. They invite themselves in without cause and start looking through her house. It escalates from there, and ends in murder. The shooting officer then outright lies about the circumstances of the shooting, saying Massey was coming at him with a pot of boiling water and threatening him. She had put the pot down in the sink and was just standing in the kitchen. See, he'd turned his body camera off and didn't realize his partner was still recording.
This was a fucking extra-judicial execution.
I had a slightly different take on this - if she had said "OK thanks guys, I feel a lot better now. See you later." it probably all wouldn't have ended in murder.
What I can't understand is why they entered the house after that interaction and the video I saw didn't show.
After that it all went downhill aggressively. The tone of her "Jesus retribution" comment was actually very soft. The cop putting his hand on his gun and his incredibly aggressive tone was mental. Pure escalation with someone who obviously has mental health issues. She was never going to get out alive. :( It reminded me of that awful video of the young lad on the hotel floor who was executed. Very upsetting to watch.
To my knowledge, there was no reason or justification given. Grayson had turned off his body cam, and his partner had walked away to get the license plate of the car in the driveway. Grayson followed her into her home asking for ID. She seemed confused and scattered through the whole encounter. She might have been intoxicated or on medication. She might have had mental health problems. She may have even been using illegal drugs. But none of that is a crime if you're in your own home not bothering anyone. IMO, they were fishing for a reason to treat her as a suspect.
This video has a good breakdown with footage from both officers' body cams: https://youtu.be/7jP3FGj7syI
Just watching it now. Heads up you linked to near the end of the video so for anyone else this is the start.
https://youtu.be/7jP3FGj7syI
Very upsetting viewing so far tbh so exercise caution on whether or not you're up for viewing.
Edit: Oh God this just gets worse and worse the more I watch. He had a tazer and chose his gun. :( That poor woman. Still watching in pieces as it's busy here....
Just finished. It's a good analysis of a terrible situation. Zero justification for killing that woman. Just a little kindness and it all could have been avoided. The killer was a giant dick from start to finish.
Fixed the link. Thanks for the heads up!
No worries. Thanks for the link to the video. It was a good analysis, an unpleasant watch but I'm glad I saw it.
Also fuck that guy. Like really, really fuck that guy. Just a single ounce of empathy or kindness instead of frustration and anger and that woman would still be alive and her family wouldn't be grieving this.
But also I'm glad to see justice being done (so far).
I do feel sorry for his partner, who obviously early on knew the guy wasn't OK on that particular day, tried to smooth him out early on in the car but unfortunately wasn't able to. The whole thing is very sad.
Oh yikes. Thanks for the extra context. I'll give that video you linked a watch this evening.
Good comment but I think doing 'illegal drugs' in your own home is still illegal.
Splitting hairs, but technically being a user or addict isn't illegal, it's possession or possession with intent to traffic, which are the crimes. Might vary by region.
In any case, not justification for murder
EDIT: pardon me, my reply keeps going to the wrong comment.
Fair. I should re-word. Yes, if they had evidence that she was actually using, that might be grounds for arrest. But they'd still need cause to enter her house and arrest her, and just suspecting that she's using because she's acting weird isn't sufficient. Here's my re-word: Just being high in your own home is not illegal.
Oh for sure, it shouldn't be illegal. I'm Australian, it's not actually illegal to use or be on drugs here. But obviously possession, manufacture, selling etc is illegal.
But I believe in most states in the US it is illegal to use/be under the influence of drugs? Someone chime in if I'm wrong
Why even say this victim blaming bullshit? Yes, I read the rest of your comment, I just don't know why you felt the need to preface it by blaming an innocent dead woman for getting shot by the cop she called for help.
I shouldn't even need to say any of this, but she could have been cursing them off the moment they arrived for all I care. That's literally her constitutional right. And if it were a white woman, and she was cursing them from the moment they arrived, she'd still be alive right now 100%. Perhaps detained or arrested, and/or maybe a few bruises. But alive.
This country is going to need to have a reckoning. We failed Reconstruction, and in retrospect we probably should have let Sherman burn the South to the ground after the war, and now the chickens are coming to roost.
(Yes I know this was in Illinois. The legacy of slavery is everywhere).
I think you misconstrued my intent which was just that I didn't agree with this take from the person I was replying to:
I was merely trying to point out that I felt the cops (and murder cop in particular) were ready, keen even, to get away when they were standing on the porch. Murder cop seemed pissed off the entire time he was going to the call (his partner is constantly checking if he's OK), when searching the back yard and also while dealing with that lady so I was surprised he didn't take the opportunity to just fuck off back to his car. I felt like he really wanted to.
Yeah, tbh I'm not American but that does ring true with me as a frequent external viewer of horror stories like this.
To find an excuse to ~~punish~~ arrest her.
To find an excuse to ~~punish arrest~~ murder her.
Regardless of context from the onset the dialogue was between someone in a position of power and someone who wasn't. Regardless of the reaction of the woman the cop was in the position of power. Any failing was on him and him alone. Men (yes I'm generalizing The Internet and that you are a man) need to understand this. White men (yes I'm generalizing The Internet and that you are a white man) need to understand this.
Regardless of the context this was about power. Shit needs to change.
I agree with you on everything you said (and yeah I'm a white lad). Beyond what you said, the dialogue also included so much frustration and ultimately murderous rage. It could have been dealt with so kindly and so easily and wasn't.
The one caveat I'll give is that I live an ocean away in a country where cops don't carry guns. We never face things like this and I am so fucking glad that we don't. This whole thing was tragic. I'm really upset about it. It honestly fucked up my evening but I can only imagine what it's done to her family. :(
"With great power, there must come great responsibility." Spider-Man comes up in a lot of my political arguments and it's an incredibly useful tool to get to some people.
I keep telling people that it isn't a Spider-Man quote. It is Uncle Ben. That man gets so little respect.
I’ve been saying for years that the movie franchise should have been called Uncle Ben feat. Spider-Man
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As a retired medic who has has to deal with my share of the mentally ill, I will try to add a little context perhaps.
What got them to enter the apartment is they probably realized they were dealing with a mentally ill person who was not properly on their meds, (we can't say for sure at this point - but it's as likely as not), and they then started what should have been a simple welfare check. Which can entail entry to observe the person and the general living conditions. Cops do welfare checks everyday, multiple times a day. The next step if they determine there is a problem, is to request medical assistance, an ambulance, to deal with the person. The cops are to remain in scene and assist if needed - i.e. help talk the patient into seeking medical help or sometimes stop an assault on EMS. But that's what SHOULD have happened.
Instead a straight up murder was committed.
That might be the excuse they felt they would be able to use but I have a hard time believing these assholes cared about her mental health.
Yea Daniel Shaver. This is the exact same video and I consider that the most sensless police murder we have on film.
That's his name. Thank you. I knew his first name but didn't want to Google it to be reminded of it any more than necessary tbh. It's one of those occasional intrusive thoughts videos for me that I'm sure we all have our own little library of.
I still can't believe the killer got away with it. Daniel had no way to get out alive.
Turning your body camera off deliberately or knowingly failing to maintain it to keep it running should automatically cause the cop to be treated as a an unreliable witness and as a suspect for any potential crime happening
Turning your body camera off should be a crime that results in prison time.
Should be evidence of 1st degree murder.
There shouldn't even be a fucking power button on those things. It should just be ON ALL THE GODDAMN TIME from the picosecond a pig's shift starts. Zero exceptions. If it gets shut off, you get one warning, happens again gtfo and we pull your pig license. If it happens and you're involved in a police activity that results in injury or death, fucking fired and arrested pending full investigation AND we pull your pig license even if it's your first fuckup.
Not only an unreliable witness, but ineligible for the immunity from the law that (for whatever godforsaken reason) comes with the badge and gun. They should be treated as a civilian from the instant they turn their body cam off.
Well duh, what to you expect to happen to a black woman who wastes police time?
This is what they train for.
ACAB
From other articles I've read she was schizophrenic and a neighbor had said that this was a fairly common occurrence.
Oh dang, the punishment for schizophrenia in America is execution? You all have it rough over there.
Having mental illness in America might as well be a crime. Local jails are just mental healthcare facilities without the mental healthcare.
sad that there is no way to contradict this since any judge will side with the cop and his buddies on the force who backed his story up
and police reform is not even talked about with the candidates anymore plus Biden has completely forgotten his campaign promise of police reform
A) not true.
B) not even remotely relevant
Democrats tried to pass police reform bills in congress multiple times this term and were blocked by Republicans at every turn. Biden did what he was able to do and enacted an executive order that was the most comprehensive police reform action in decades. But there are limits to what he can do. So please fuck off with your attempt to turn this into Biden's fault by telling lies.
the current police problem was in part grown by Biden's efforts during his fifty years as a politician
Partially true but irrelevant. You're shifting the goalposts because your first argument was a total lie. How about you admit it was wrong before you start shifting things to pretend you were "actually" correct because some other only tangentially related information is useful.
Biden is literally begging lawmakers to pass the policing act he put together. He isn't a dictator, it's up to Congress and the Senate to pass these bills
This is not talking about it, huh? Thanks for not even reading the summary in your neverending quest to get Trump elected.
he was talking much harder before when he was on the campaign trail making it out like he was serious about pushing for national reform