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Biden’s exit from the race is just what Trump feared
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Can you blame him? Kamala was a District Attorney and an Attorney General. Even a competent opponent who based their arguments on facts would be intimidated.
Trump wouldn’t stand a chance on that stage.
And if he ducks out hopefully she'll call him a coward. Repeatedly.
She should start calling him a coward before they start negotiation. He can't stand women talking crap about him. A woman of color, he'd have a canary.
A canary in the old mind, that's how the saying goes
I thought it was a coronary in the gold mine.
Its coronary on the golden shrine.
Y'know, like Elvis. People are saying he looks like Elvis...
All this talk of coronation recently is making me dizzy.
Wow. WHOOSH cubed
Marty isn't the only Back To The Future character it works on?
I hope that Harris (or whoever) goes WAY more on the offensive than Biden did. Honestly I think that's where his age showed the most sharply; he was just too nice, even when he was "Dark Brandon."
That wouldn't be difficult.
Getting called a coward by a woman will break his brain beyond what it is now.
IDK, considering the MAGA crowd consider Trump lies better than facts, because everybody know by now, that facts have a liberal bias.
the fight is not for maga votes, it is for the undecided morons in the middle.
The fight is against the couch, idiot undecided voters are basically a coin toss. Getting 80%+ of your supporters to actually vote for you is all you really need.
Nothing was more demoralizing than Biden in the last debate. Trump against someone under 60 could have the same thing happen to him.
People on the couch are the undecided voters. The more Democrats call them idiots, the less incentive they have to vote for whoever the Democrat nominee is.
Trump loves the poorly educated
Okay... and what are Democrats going to do about that to help educate America? Are they going to tax churches who act as a conduit for the Republican party and think tanks like The Heritage Foundation, who wants to defund the Department of Education?
The undecided will be gaslighted too. Are you really sugesting Trump would try to use reason to sway the undecided?
Trump has only one mode, and that's narcissistic pathological liar.
no, i am suggesting that primary goal of democratic candidate is not to go after maga voters.
He needs to capture his base too, and make sure as many of them as possible will vote, without them the marginal voters are irrelevant.
Trump will use stupid arguments and lies, and look like he is winning. That's how he built the MAGA crowd, and that's the system he will continue to use.
The undecided he manages to convince to vote for him, will then be supporting MAGA by definition, even if they aren't as batshit crazy as the hardcore MAGA supporters.
No, but a good and clear debater, like an experienced lawyer that she is, would blow him apart. Biden was an effective politician and debated pretty well, but its not his forte in the same way.
It would be cool if Harris can expose Trump, like Obama exposed Romney in their 2nd debate.
I vaguely remember her debate against Mike pence, her performance was not to impressive. The fly helped. I wonder if they will let her a bit looser on the pedo
She's been VP for a few years since then. I hope she goes for the jugular... (Metharphorically of course. Seeing as maga is suddenly quite shocked about violent language LOL)
We haven't heard Kamala debate. She was not very popular in 2020. Sometimes she comes across as cringey and foolish. I wish people would stop acting like she should be coronated. She needs to prove herself before being the nominee. Just handing everything to her on a silver plater isn't going to get the response Democrats are hoping for.
“Coronated” is a real tell as to what your opinion diet consists of.
My opinion diet? What are you on?
She’s the VP, and the President’s nomination. She’s already on the ballot, so she has access to existing campaign funds. There are no outspoken challengers, and there are eight weeks until early voting ballots are sent out.
What do you suggest instead?
Mostly agree, but officially she is not on the ballot. Nobody is until after the Democratic convention.
That’s true. I should have written that she is the named VP of the candidate that received the donations, therefore she is allowed to use them to campaign.
There is at least one outspoken challenger that I know of. She should hopefully be starting some live interviews today on news networks. If she's like Biden and stays hidden unless there is a teleprompter and has her team silence anyone else, she's toast too. She was also running cover and part of the team shielding Biden which is what put us in this predicament. If she intends to beat Trump, she needs to come out and start speaking about how she is different. The further she can distance herself from Biden altogether, the better.
Care to share a link or her name? Your comment reads like disengagement propaganda by putting down Harris without supporting your nameless alternative.
https://marianne2024.com
BTW I'm not putting her down. I'm saying handing it to her without any public debate or discourse, and just acting like cause she was Biden's VP that she's already got this, isn't a winning strategy. She's got to distance herself from Biden now and show America what she's got that will be superior and better.
Williamson didn’t break 10% in the 2020 primary. What makes you think she’s going to capture more of the Democratic vote now?
I didn't say she would. I said Kamala needs to prove herself... she needs to have some public discourse with other people to show the public she is the best candidate. If another candidate makes her look weak and she can't talk about an agenda in details, then she's not going to do very well.
She has been the fucking VICE PRESIDENT for awhile now, and she's been an attorney general AND a district Attorney. She does not need to "prove herself".
I think what you mean is that she has already proven herself.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Tomato Tomato
So the Joe & Kamala ticket was losing in polls badly, causing other Democrats to suffer. Kamala is going to have the exact same issue if she doesn't prove herself. What she proved so far was she was fine with genocide, she was fine with elder abuse. If she doesn't distance herself from Joe and show us something different, then Joe might as well have stayed in. What is a democracy if the voters have no say in the matter, and the nomination is just given to the same corporate puppet that stood alongside the losing candidate?
Again, she doesn't need to prove herself and we will all be voting for her. You do you homie.
I know emotions are running hot, but I believe the parent's sentiment is 100% valid. if we want to be a representative democracy we have to embody a representative democracy.
no nomination hand outs. no nomination succession. biden endorsed kamala. cool, I hope the delegates keep that in mind as they evaluate candidates on our behalf.
There will be no other major candidates. Anyone who could contend with her has already said they won't challenge her. The party wants to get on to the general election, not run a pointless delegate-primary with a no-name that's still not in any way a representation of the voters. They were chosen as Joe Biden loyalists in a primary with a foregone conclusion, not because the voting public thinks these people are especially good at evaluating candidates and representing their interests.
Don't get me wrong, the delegates will still be the actual people deciding who to nominate, but it's going to be Harris.
understood and agreed. still useful to maintain the ideal in my head.
I remember her from her last campaign. She is pretty articulate on stage, but she has some really fucking loony beliefs. Way too much spirituality and love. That's a fine message for self-help books, but it was a bad look when Nancy Reagan was dialing Miss Cleo for advice, and it would look even worse today.
Trump would tear her up one side and down the other.
You want Kamala to prove herself? The clowns I've seen stepping forward - Manchin and now this - aren't going to prove or disprove anything.
It's worse than that, IIRC she came this close to saying that the power of positive thinking would drive away covid. She is too far around the horseshoe imo. I've known people into the kind of magical thinking she's into, and it's really not a good thing.
Because the DNC did what they always do. They said sure we'll change the face but not give you choice. They hope just having a younger black female version of Biden will be sufficient, even though nothing is really changing. Voters weren't just worried about Biden's age, they are also tired of being manipulated and gaslit about their party.
Biden was a good President - the best going back at least as far as Clinton - and a younger black female version of him would be far from the worst we could do. That being said, no one is worried about DNC manipulation this time. That ship sailed with Bernie. I backed Biden and I said if not him Harris is the only other real choice. And here we are, and I'm feeling good about it.
I keep hearing about her unpopularity, but surely it's related to how she's got a low profile as VP and before that practically invisible on the country's stage. Let the direct light shine on her for a period and that will change.