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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

At some point in the 60s, the Israeli government realized that the awful things that were done to them (and let's be clear, many many others who were not Jewish) during WW2 gives them cover to get away with basically anything if they go about it the right way.

Including almost literally the atrocities that happened to them. It's like generational trauma on the national level or something.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

I wish us gays and disabled folks had gotten that card. Gays weren’t even let out… The roma also really need it.

But yeah, it’s a country forged in response to unspeakable trauma. To many Israelis and their supporters the idea of not protecting the nation of Israel at all costs is seen as antisemitism, in part because part of the purpose of the nation is to be a bulwark and refuge against antisemitic violence. And it has served that role, the evacuated the Jews from Ethiopia. And if they had found some uninhabited land to create that nation I’d’ve been one of their biggest supporters (well apart from the ethnostate thing). But uninhabited land was either terrible or nonexistent by the 20th century and they did a settler colonial genocide to get their country and keep invading their neighbors. They still see Palestine not as a land that people have lived in for centuries, where even non-Semitic inhabitants have become indigenous, but rather their territory that the international community is refusing to allow them to kick off the people who’ve been squatting there since the Roman Empire forced most of them out.

The non-Palestinian Jewish community is an eternally diasporic community. And that’s brutal. I understand how fucking rough it is to be a permanent minority of everywhere and I get wanting a land of your own. Add in the fact that the perpetrators of the Nakba were largely hardened holocaust survivors or people who had just watched it happen, it makes sense that they’d make the choices that are hard but may seem necessary. But that doesn’t justify continuing invasion and genocide in Palestine generations later. At a certain point enough is enough. They aren’t allowed to be as evil as Americans were in our founding because nobody was supposed to do that.