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[–] Glemek@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] sxan@midwest.social 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Do they? We see, what, two examples: the first, one who is overjoyed when freed; the other, a villainous character who echoes the morals of the slave owners. Where's the evidence they like being slaves, outside of slave owners saying they do?

[–] Glemek@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Winky becomes an inconsolable drunk after being freed.

The hogwarts elves cease cleaning the gryffindor common room because they are insulted by Hermione's leaving knitted caps and sweaters around for them, and generally avoid and shame dobby and winky.

[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 1 points 4 months ago

To be fair, things like this happened with actual slaves all the time. Abuse and manipulation can make you comfortable with truly horrible conditions.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

There are many examples of House Elves in the books who treat essentially the single one who was freed and happy about it as an abnormality. Look at how Dobby is reacted to by every other house elf. Hermione's advocacy that they have autonomy is ultimately treated as being something only an extreme minority of their population would want and her continued efforts treated as comedy.

Effectively house elves are narrativly speaking a subservient slave species whom treating poorly is narrativly punished... but emancipation is not desired by the whole and they feel fulfilled as long as their masters treat them well. The profiting from their labor is framed as mutually beneficial.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 1 points 4 months ago

Hm. I'll take your word for it. I had mostly checked out by halfway through the series; once Potter started acting like a petulant teen (which was probably the most realistic writing of the series, but also the most infuriatingly annoying) I stopped caring. I finished the series through sheer momentum but I think I skimmed too much, because I must have missed most of this.

I concede the debate.