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The first presidential debate is done and the aftermath has not been good for the incumbent, Joe Biden.

Some Democrat politicians and operatives reportedly texted CNN commentators with hopes that Mr Biden, 81, would step aside. Some floated the possibility of going to the White House and publicly stating concerns about him remaining as candidate.

But if Mr Biden were to drop out, it would be a free-for-all. There is no official mechanism for him or anyone else in the party to choose his successor, meaning Democrats would be left with an open (Democratic National Convention (DNC) in Chicago from August 19-22.

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[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 36 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I'd go for Bernie myself.

I mean just imagine that! In a year of some of the worst and craziest 'first-time-evers' Sanders could be the DNC's candidate.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 57 points 4 months ago (45 children)

You'd go for someone older than Biden?

I like Bernie, but that's a ridiculous replacement.

[–] dragThruGardenPlz@midwest.social 37 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I think it’s Bernie’s competency that’s appealing. Sure he’s older, but he’s in touch with reality and has never stopped fighting for tangible as well as progressive ideals.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I think at this point he has a lot going for him, ie: he's recognizable, he's popular with a large segment of Americans, he can play the game well (as seen when he graciously accepted the DNC's bs in 2015), he's kind, he's rarely (if ever) been known to publically lie, he's smarter than at least half of Congress and the House of Reps, etc etc.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You can't simultaneously argue that Biden is too old to be president and that we should have someone even older instead.

[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Biden isn't too old, he's too mentally incompetent and decrepit.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Good luck convincing all the people who have spent months saying that Biden is too old to be president to accept someone even older.

[–] imaqtpie@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You do realize that age is not a perfect proxy for mental competence? A good number of people remain mentally sharp well into their 90s, while others experience rapid dementia as early as their 60s.

I'm not saying his age wouldn't be a talking point, but I'm damn sure Bernie could express his platform with more clarity and vitality than Biden at this point. Unfortunately I dont think it's a real possibility, but it's stupid to act like the the actual birth date matters. It's the signs of cognitive decline that are problematic.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

When people are repeatedly arguing that Biden (and Trump as well) are too old to be president, I'm not sure why that wouldn't matter.

[–] imaqtpie@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Uhh, I just explained why. People can argue whatever they want, but the actual behavior and performance of the candidate supercedes their biological age as a barometer for electability.

Also I never said it wouldn't matter, in fact I specifically acknowledged that it would be a talking point, then explained why that wasn't the most important factor at play.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't supercede the "he could die at any time" part of the argument, which sure seems to be a big one.

Look, I get that you like Bernie. I like Bernie. But when you argue that Trump and Biden are too old to be president, you can't suddenly say this older guy is not too old to be president. And it has been about "too old." Go do a search for "Biden too old" or "Trump too old" if you don't believe me.

[–] imaqtpie@lemmy.myserv.one 3 points 4 months ago

Trump, Biden, and Bernie are all too old. They could all die at any time, and thus it's not an effective political argument for either side.

The reason why Biden is being attacked from that angle more effectively is because he is showing signs of dementia. That's a whole other issue aside from the likelihood of death.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago

I never argued Biden was too old.

But if I had I would have argued that of any candidate in that age group, Bernie could defy the odds as far as ageism goes.

[–] tamal3@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

I hear you buddy, but I think that chance was squashed by the DNC last time around. He was old when he ran, and he's 8 years older than that now. Besides, "the South won't vote socialist" is still just as true now as then.

I wish it weren't so!

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

Bernie is sharper on his worst day than Biden or Trump are on their best day.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

Bernie is still mentally sound. He’d make for a far better candidate, and would easily mop the floor with Trump in a debate.

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[–] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 months ago

This is a fella with unquestionable principles. I love the guy.

But we really need someone like you know, younger or were gonna run into the same cryptkeeper problems very soon.

[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

With the way the DNC is it would be Harris or, more likely, Hillary Clinton.

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 17 points 4 months ago

And Hillary is the only candidate to ever lose against Trump lol

[–] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Your comment makes me feel unwell

[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

We're all feeling unwell I think.

[–] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 months ago