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[–] small44@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

They are just afraid that it's going to have a massive toll on israel. They couldn't care less about what will happen to non ally countries

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Israel can't even genocide Gaza on their own...

If they start a war at the same time, they'll lose immediately if they don't drag America into it.

And Biden has spent 50 years saying that no matter what happens, he'll never stop or even slow support to Israel.

Iran is allied with Russia and other local governments in the 4+1 treaty, so trump would likely join against Israel.

Either way, the US is gonna be involved if it happens, which isn't a good thing.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

People like saying Israel can't genocide Gazans on their own. They need the US help, just because they say that and they're getting it. Are you sure they're not just lying about really needing it, and couldn't use other, lower-tech methods like starvation or napalm to do it if they were forced to? Or even trebuchets if they really, really felt like it?

It's a very tiring line. I understand wanting to pressure the US to halt military assistance, but do not think that would magically save Gaza. Biden has to deal with the harsh reality that it would not, because this isn't a movie, or a peer-peer war where 1000lb bombs are actually genuinely necessary.

The IDF would take more casualties without 1000lb bombs 155mm artillery shells, definitely. But that's it. They are human beings capable of adaptation and problem-solving, and could solve the problem of how to accomplish a goal without enough explosives.

Now, to fight Hezbollah on the other hand, that's a pretty big army. Probably do need the big bombs for that.

[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

But Biden has slowed weapon shipments to Israel, it's the only thing he can (legally, not politically) do since the aid is mandated by law and his executive power doesn't extend to negating laws.

[–] HuntressHimbo@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

He could also have not lied in the report that would have legally mandated stopping shipments

[–] bobburger@fedia.io 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Biden really needs to be more carful when filling out those reports.

[–] HuntressHimbo@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

Biden really needs to be more careful that the final reports that his administration presents actually resembles the expert opinions it is allegedly based on

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

But Biden has slowed weapon shipments to Israel

He hasn't. Netanyahu is making up shit because he can.

[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There have been U S. officials that confirmed this has happened though.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/18/politics/blinken-confirms-pause-heavy-bombs-israel/index.html

I'm not even arguing that it's effective, just that it happened.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

He paused a shipment. Overall flow of weapons from the US to Israel hasn't changed.

[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

More than just one, but yeah, the "overall flow" is set in law by acts of Congress, and only an act of Congress can stop that flow, not the executive branch.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 6 months ago

I mean okay. I'm not sure how true that is, but what I'm trying to say isn't "fuck Biden"; it's "Netanyahu is making shit up".