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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

None of that has to do with your claim, and it is also more claims instead of evidence.

Where's your evidence that there is a safe level of nicotine consumption?

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Nevermind this, see my reply to squid below. I was operating under the wrong view that nicotine by itself is not cancer causing.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Safer is not safe.

I agree, it's safer. But how can we know it's safe below a certain amount for lifelong vapers when there hasn't been enough time to do a long-term study?

Wouldn't (and I say this as a long-term cannabis vaporizer myself) putting anything into the lungs on a regular basis other than air be inherently unsafe long-term?

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Nothing is 100% safe. Which is why harm reduction is an important part of the conversation when discussing drug addiction.

Water is safer than tea. Tea safer than coffee. All three can in theory kill you if consumed in large enough quantities.

Anyway, I figured I would dig around more on vaping instead of just glancing at the top search result.

And, I take what I said back. Nicotine by itself causes cancer. Tobacco just makes it more likely.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9222281/

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't disagree with you on the "safer" thing at all, but OP said that it was "safe."

But this has become moot anyway based on your research.

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, my bad for glancing at the top search result before I made my long-winded post above lol.

Hope you're well, Mr. Squid.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No better than I have been in over a year, but we're working on it. Thanks.

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sorry to hear that. My mental health is finally on the mend. Giving myself permission to be myself for the first time in my life, really.

Hope things get better for you soon :)

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's great! Good luck to you!

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago