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An unprecedented nearly 5,000 migrants have died at sea in the first five months of 2024 trying to reach the Spanish Canary Islands, according to a report released by migration rights group Walking Borders on Wednesday.

Between Jan. 1 and May 31, 4,808 people died on the Atlantic voyage to the Canaries after departing from Morocco, Mauritania, Senegal and Gambia, making it the deadliest route between Africa and Spain, with 95% of migrant deaths, according to the group.

Arrivals to the archipelago in that period soared five times to over 16,500 from a year ago, Interior Ministry data showed.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for actually providing something approaching evidence for your claims. Of course, your claims discount the fact that those families themselves will die if that money isn't earned, so it's still a life-or-death situation, but at least you backed up your claim rather than just stated it as if it were true.

I have no idea why you think destroying a passport has any relevance to anything though. You've brought it up more than once as if it has to do with economic migration.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Sorry could you provide evidence that people are coming over for life or death situations please? Do you not hold yourself to the same standard as others? Your comments look like misinformation from my side.

Economic migrants aren't refugees. If you burn your passport you can claim to be a refugee. There was reports of people flying from Pakistan to north Africa destroying their passports and travelling to Europe illegally for monetary reasons, not because of life and death.

And no I'm not going to go find that for you because I have already proven my word and I'm waiting for you to do the same. If this comment and this comment alone needs proving or it will get labeled as misinformation then I'm not going to waste my time on it. If you don't trust and and don't want to check me, delete it.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I literally gave you evidence in my first response with the DW article, which you apparently didn't read.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No you didn't.

I did read it. That is talking about refugees looking at asylum. You understand the difference right?

Asylum seekers are covered under international law. That is about legal movements.

We aren't talking about that we are talking about people illegally crossing borders. It seems like you are trying to make out one thing is something it isn't. It seems to me you are trying to make out illegal migrants are refugees. That seems a lot like misinformation to me and you need to provide sources for your claims.

That's why I'm asking for a source. Are you saying all illegal migrants are refugees even though I have showed evidence of them just doing it for money?

You're misleading people.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You do know that we have no idea whether or not someone is seeking asylum when they're dead, right?

Are you saying all illegal migrants are refugees even though I have showed evidence of them just doing it for money?

No, I'm saying you have no idea what reason they're coming over for in general, you're basing your claim on TV and YouTube videos. And I'm saying they wouldn't risk their lives if they weren't desperate.

The funny thing is, you don't realize that if someone is doing something for money which might kill them, they really need that money. It's a life or death situation, if not for them then for their families.

Now, are you ever going to explain the significance of burning a passport?

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So all the claims you make are unfounded and not backed up by any evidence or source and go contrary to what I said.

Your only explanation is a feeling you have.

Face it if I did that you would have deleted all my comments. I based my comments and sources on reporters from some of the most well regarded news sites. One rule for you, one rule for everyone else. I did everything you asked of me and you done nothing, you're moving the goalposts for yourself and you won't do anything to back up your claims. You just want to argue but won't admit I provided everything to back up my claims are yours are unfounded.

Fuck man I did. If you have a country that does not have refugees you can burn your passport and lie and say you are from a different a country to gain refugee status. Legally you refugee but actually they are just economic migrants abusing the system and breaking the law.

This conversation is over until you provide something that's more than just your feels.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sorry, I am not going to continue this discussion if you insinuate that is the kind of moderator I am.

I also highly encourage you to report me to lemmy.world admins if you think I would delete all of your comments for any reason that didn't violate community rules, because that would be beyond the pale of any moderator.

After all, I'm sure you have some basis for making such an accusation, right?

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Answer my repeated questions for sources (like you asked of me) or this discussion is over.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"After all, I’m sure you have some basis for making such an accusation, right?"

I guess the answer to this question is that no, you just made it up, presumably for sympathy.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Answer my repeated questions for sources (like you asked of me) or this discussion is over.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You are free to end this discussion whenever you like, but your attempt to goad me into doing something like deleting all of your comments is not going to work.

Again, if you feel that I am doing such things as a moderator, by all means contact the lemmy.world admin about it because it would be absolutely unacceptable for a moderator to behave that way.

I will be very surprised if you actually put your money where your mouth is and don't reply again.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Haha all I want is sources. I know you're entire life is this website so I know you will go on forever. I don't expect anything else.

Or for you to show some honour and growth and actually admit you are wrong, have no claims and I think I'm owed an apology for how you have treated me.

Sources or go bother someone else.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

And all I want is evidence that as a moderator that I would delete all of your comments for disagreeing with you.

See... the problem here is you claim you just want sources but then you tell a lie like that. So what's the point in providing you with any sources when I already know you lie about me?

If I did provide you with a source, you'd lie and say I didn't.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Bored now.

You were close to deleting my comments, you gave me a last warning, yet you did not provide any sources yourself. That's not a source as mentioned because it isn't about illegal crossing, it's intentionally misleading. So provide a source. You know if this was the other way around and you provided the sources I did and I just gave you a misleading source my comments would be deleted.

You know things I say to be right you're just hoping I conceded my position. You thrown your weight around and keep talking about your powerful position as a mod to intimidate me.

All I asked was for sources and the conversation has degraded to this.

This will be my last comment because why would I talk to you? You care more about winning and being a mod than you do about discussing or learning. I hope you learn to improve yourself. Good day.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I gave you a warning that I would delete your comments for misinformation. You supported them so I did not delete them. I said as much at the time, so I'm not why you're engaging in this fantasy.

We will see if your 'this will be my last comment' claim will be true.