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Even if Jellico was right about it being a superior system, he was still being a shit leader.
You don't come into a management position and instantly change everything up. You start by learning how things have been going with your staff and setting up a series of changes, with adequate forewarning, for them to adjust to reasonably.
You sure as hell don't come into a situation that's tense with time pressures, emotional pressures, legitimate causes to fear for their lives, etc, and then force a wide array of changes onto your staff.
Even if the 4-shift thing is unquestionably superior (and let's assume it is, ignoring the Bajor comments people are making) - it's still a stupid as fuck thing to do, under the circumstances.
Especially considering all the other changes and pressures he was adding on, all at the last minute, before a major battle.
Engine overhaul, protocol changes, shift changes, multi-day extreme overtime, on a staff that's emotionally distressed right before their lives will be put at severe risk?
He's an absolutely terrible captain and a disgrace to Starfleet. His bullshit would have endangered everyone's lives for no good reason, had he not been damned lucky that the battle never came.
He didn’t have time for a honeymoon with the crew.
Yeah, that’s not how the military works at all. Maybe in business management, but not military. People seem to forget Starfleet is just that. The commander has a philosophy (that they will often draft a letter about when they assume command) and the unit adapts to it. People used to that are a little more understanding of Jellico and recognize that dread the enterprise crew had when they realized how good they had it under Picard.
People acting like Picard ran a tight ship are just deluding themselves. If Picard ran his ship half as well as, say, a modern air craft carrier then there would be no show. It'd be boring.
I really wish to see more accurate depictions of military life. Strangely competent in some areas but at the same time mundane incompetence everywhere.
It would probably be boring though.
Isn't that basically what Lower Decks is?
Is it? Haven't watched it yet unfortunately
It's basically a workplace comedy, and one of the focuses of the show is how bad Starfleet is about making sure their strange new worlds are getting on okay a couple decades after first contact. The crew of the Cerritos are simultaneously Starfleet's best, and an absolute embarrassment lol
It's a fantastic show, that really gets the soul of Star Trek. You should check it out
Stargate and Battlestar Galactica are closer to reality in that sense. BSG in particular.
It would just be people driving
The Enterprise is a "ship of exploration", as they remind us every other episode. It has a ton of biological and astronomical labs on board. Their mission is:
That's the mission of a diplomatic vessel. They just also have weapons. It's 100% not a military ship. Starfleet itself is repeatedly described as not a military organization.
The only "military" version of the Enterprise D is in the TNG episode where they encounter the Enterprise C that returns from the past. It's completely different from the regular version, and the difference between the timelines is stark.
So why is the Enterprise a critical ship every time there is a major military engagement?
What are the ranks in this "not a military organization" again?
The episode Jellico is in is called "chain of command". Weird title for something 100% not military.
Starfleet's primary purpose is peace and exploration yes. They still have the structure and organization of a military.
Thank you. Refresh my memory, but wasn’t the whole reason Jellico took over due to Picard being hand picked for a… military special operation?
The Enterprise is a "ship of exploration" in a way that's not possible today. You're misunderstanding them. They're like a explorer's ship in the "Age of Exploration", Captain Cook or Magellan or Christopher Columbus. Although their mission is slightly different: diplomacy vs. claiming territory.
All those ships were fast and had weapons too. Diplomacy requires weapons. Starfleet is clearly not a military. Even civilian ships today have "captains", "first officers", etc. Cruise ships have them. Even pirate ships had them. Rank and hierarchy is not exclusive to the Navy / military.
The structure comes from the milliary though. I think that was the point they were making.
How many Naval battles were the Endeavor, Trinidad, and Santa Maria involved in?
Starfleet didn't just send armed ships out exploring like Magellan. The Enterprise was frequently pulled out from exploring/diplomacy and sent into full battles because it was their biggest battleship.
Sisko was in Starfleet. The Defiant wasn't for exploration and diplomacy.
Military doesn't always equate to conquest or violence. For instance, the internet came from a milliary project.