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I keep seeing this instance is overrun with tankies so hey, lets do an informal survey like I've seen on hexbear

respond with YES or NO in the first line of your comment and i'll tally everything in a couple of days, lets say I'll try and collect everything on the sunday the 9th (10+gmt sorry)

not sure thisll work, be nice, have fun

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[โ€“] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"Tankie" in the traditional sense of someone who uncritically supports the USSR in the handling of 1956's uprising? Probably not.

While Kruschev's use of tanks in 1956 was heavy handed, the Hungarian alliance with the Axis in WWII and participation of Operation Barbarossa, lingering fascist sympathisers and nationalists remained in Hungary.

This coupled with the Communist Party of Hungary's less than equitable redistribution of land/castles/other properties earlier in the 1950's (favouring giving properties to ranking CPH members instead of distributing it to the proletariat equally). This created resentment for the Party, and an image of the Communists as no better than the Monarchy that came before or the Fascists that came after.

The Hungarian uprising had elements of fascist sympathisers, monarchists, bourgeoisie, etc but also legitimate critics of the handling of the situation. It never should have come to that, and a more educated/self critical Communist Party in Hungary could have prevented things from getting that far. The people should have benefitted a lot more from a better redistribution of wealth.

The above issues coupled with Soviet distrust of Hungarians (since they did invade the Soviet Union in the 40's) led to a swift and harsh reaction towards the uprising, seeing it as just a reactionary revolt.

Now, am I a tankie in the Reddit redefinition, of anyone that critically supports Cuba, China, Vietnam and their style of government? Yeah, I suppose I am. This is no more radical a position than Malcolm X or the Black Panthers who also supported the late USSR, China and Cuba.

[โ€“] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Serious question, I mean I feel you dislike the "west" or jow it is governed (I guess) and to each their own but are you against democracy? And if so, how do you get rid of dictators like Putin if needed?

Cheers

[โ€“] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Please find a Marxist against democracy. Your question is framed in an incorrect manner.

[โ€“] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You have to imagine other people have no idea about Marxism but what they've heard from US propaganda. When they hear you support China, Cuba, and Vietnam, they just hear you supporting dictator for life Xi Jinping and one party state Cuba and Vietnam. You guys need better answers than this.

The other person's answer was pretty good, though.

[โ€“] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago

My point is to get them to do some questioning on their own, and challenge the pretenses. Sometimes this approach works better as the other person comes to a new conclusion on their own.

[โ€“] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Okay you don't want democracy, but how do you deal with dictators like putin always creeps into the system and takes over if you can't vote them out?

[โ€“] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I do want Democracy. What are you talking about?

[โ€“] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

See your first post...

But dodge the question again lol

[โ€“] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I asked you to find a Marxist against Democracy because that mythical anti-Democracy Marxist doesn't exist.

It isn't a dodge, it's like you asking veterinarians why they like screwing cats and dogs.

[โ€“] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Dude. Get a history book lol.

[โ€“] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

Find a Marxist against Democracy.