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[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 74 points 5 months ago (6 children)

holy fuck is it exhausting to talk to redditbrained liberals IRL

I made the mistake to actually engage in a discussion about politics, and all the greatest hits came out -- and the worst, most frustating thing about this that I was treated like the weirdo, and I didn't even get into the "more controversial" topics

You think socialism is good? How do you explain Pol Pot then?!

They were literally propped up by the USA/CIA it's not even controversial at this point. [then they looked at me like I said grey aliens killed Princess Diana]

Well Israel's reaction is understandable, Khamas murdered and raped civilians you see

... Israel killed literally 100x as many civilians

If you are a moral person, you must condemn Putin's invasion of a sovereign country

Well, USA also invaded sovereign countries, and almost nobody gave a shit

That was a long time ago

The US war criminals are literally golfing as we speak

But Ukraine did nothing they were just minding their own business

wellll, except UKR did shell civilians in Donbass

Have you been brainwashed by Ruzzian propaganda?

Putin wants to bring back the Sovyet Yunyon, and the whole point of the USSR was Russian world domination

What? THe USSR wasn't even a Russian ethnostate? what the fuck are you talking about? jesse-wtf

Where did the so called revolution start? St Petersburg! Where is St Petersburg? Russia! It was a Russian plot for world domination

what-the-hell

I guess you also think that the Holodomor was good

... Not even Western liberal historians (with a few neocon exceptions) believe that there was a genocide there

So you DENY the HOLODOMOR??!?!

As I said, not even Western liberal historians (with a few neocon exceptions) believe that there was a genocide there, unlike what Churchill did to starve Bangladesh, that is actually well documented

Well we also condemn THAT

Yet you curiously never bring it up, but if someone mentions anything remotely Russian you start harping about the "Holodomor", and "Soviet-Russian imperialism"....

So you actually DENY the Holodomor? Like people would just LIE?! And the GULAGS were good?!?!

You see the GULAG was not a unique phenomenon, at the same time Africa was full of concentration camps run by the Fr*nch and the Bri'ish

But they did NOT put THEIR OWN people in camps! Putting your own people in camps is the WORST

I give up, I'm afraid it's a terminal case of brainworms brainworms

[–] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 57 points 5 months ago (4 children)

i was discussing politics with a group of people i thought would be cool and then a cuban guy goes "if communism was good for the economy then the americans would be doing it" and my head just about exploded from the amount of different insanely stupid ideas contained in one single statement

Death to America

[–] anaesidemus@hexbear.net 29 points 5 months ago

when they did the smallest amount of "communism" possible they became the most powerful state in history, the second most powerful nation being the USSR

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 29 points 5 months ago

-Red Scare

-Violent repression of worker uprisings and revolutionary movements

-Constantly bombarding the population with anti-communist propaganda

Conclusion: "if communism was good for the economy then the americans would be doing it"very-intelligent

[–] flan@hexbear.net 27 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

the americans said, like two weeks ago, that the chinese system is better and instead of adopting it we're going to turn the war dial to the right.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 5 points 5 months ago

Of course a Cuban says that lmao

[–] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 50 points 5 months ago (3 children)

But they did NOT put THEIR OWN people in camps! Putting your own people in camps is the WORST

America has the most prisoners on earth.

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 41 points 5 months ago

they are also saying that basically putting africans in camps is a forgivable crime, because they are not european

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 37 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They also, noticeably, have more prisoners per capita than the USSR ever had.

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 31 points 5 months ago

I actually mentioned that, but it did not register

It was hopeless

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 30 points 5 months ago
[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 41 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

You see the GULAG was not a unique phenomenon, at the same time Africa was full of concentration camps run by the Fr*nch and the Bri'ish

First off, comparing the soviey penal system, known as the gulag system, to concentration camps is like comparing acorns to a burning pile of shit in the fact you can make pancakes out of them. By which you can shape a burning pile of shit into a pancake but it's still a disk shaped burning shit-coaster, whereas an acorn can be ground and turned into acorn flour and later acorn pancakes.

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 25 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Of course, you're right

I didn't even want to get into the soviet penal system and that most of gulag prisoners were regular criminals and the average gulag prisoner got out after 5 years

I tried to point out the shameless double standards in the syllogism that

Gulag = concentration camps = commies EVIL

colonial concentration camps = well shit happens, whatcanyoudo

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I would've absolutely gone down the rabbit hole of semantics and outright told 'em the Soviet penal system was more humane than the American prison-industrial complex and any actual provable overreach of the gulag system not only occurs in the u.s but is amplified.

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 26 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I was exhausted at that point.

It's the usual thing: when you're a socialist you have to be an expert on 1000 different things, while a liberal just has to recite a propagandistic op-ed they half-remember

And even if you cite mainstream sources they just don't care, like they did not hear it

As I said it was a mistake even discussing this, I didn't go there to debate but to relax... aaand this is what happened

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

You just call them ignorant dumbasses that haven't cracked open any books since high school then shut off your critical thinking parts of your brain and either 1) excuse yourself, walk off, and do something else worthwhile, or 2) really start winding their asses up until they either storm off or burst a blood vessel because they're literally not worth your time talking to in ernest and deserve every bit of venomous scorn you got in ya.

Disrespect deserves disrespect, and ignorant phrasemongering deserves gish-gallop offensives.

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

when I heard that the October Revolution was a ploy for ethnic Russian world domination, because Petersburg is in Russia

That's just so incredibly stupid I couldn't even answer except to say that's incredibly stupid hahaha

I guess i'll become the joker

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 17 points 5 months ago

Unleash whats inside and embrace it jokerfied

[–] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What is so funny is "Petersburg" is a fucking German spelling. The Revolution occurred in Petrograd which was a change made by the Tsar at the start of WW1 because Petersburg was German. So their ignorance leads them to miss an actual case of something approaching Russian supremacism. They cannot and will not learn basic fucking history

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Damn i always thought it was "oiltown"

[–] Des@hexbear.net 3 points 5 months ago

who RUNS OILTOWN?!?

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 8 points 5 months ago

Even though i know better it always shocks me that prison sentences were so short before the us/eu imposed the global drug war regime. Like prior to the war on drugs/war on the poor american prison sentences were so short ti just doesn't sound real.

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

whereas an acorn can be ground and turned into acorn flour and later acorn pancakes.

Like this https://youtu.be/x4-F5N63Cdo?si=npJYHVFIdMPFqiCf

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 5 points 5 months ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 7 points 5 months ago

Yeah, didn't the vast majority of deaths in the gulag system happen during the worst parts of the nazi invasion? Like prisoners starved to death because there was no food?

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Reminds me of a common set of beliefs held by most westoids:

  • The Stasi in democratic Germany was evil and totalitarian because they surveilled their citizens, and
  • The police in capitalist countries needs to be able to monitor internet and telephone communication of everyone as well as put up cameras everywhere. They breed this to keep us safe.
[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 18 points 5 months ago

Have you considered that the communist secret police is evil and dictatorial 1984

and the FBI is just a bunch of kooky detectives looking for UFOs and hunting serial killers? fedposting

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 15 points 5 months ago

I read somewhere that when the fourth reich finally got it's bloodstained paws on the Stasi's records they found seven extrajudicial murders in the stasi's entire existence, and then went mildly berserk trying to find more because the stasi must have murdered at least 300 times the population of the gdr!

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I sincerely do not understand the "there own people!" Thing. Must be some weird nationalism thing.

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 12 points 5 months ago

But Stalin wasn't even Russian, so this brainrot doesn't even ave internal consistency

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 8 points 5 months ago

But Ukraine did nothing they were just minding their own business

And all the countries the US has invaded and massacred were direct threats to the US?