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looks like rendering adblockers extensions obsolete with manifest-v3 was not enough so now they try to implement DRM into the browser giving the ability to any website to refuse traffic to you if you don't run a complaint browser ( cough...firefox )

here is an article in hacker news since i'm sure they can explain this to you better than i.

and also some github docs

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 236 points 1 year ago (8 children)

We need more browser options, not just Firefox and 20 versions of chrome.

[–] GordonFremen@lemmy.zip 144 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you have the funds, donate to Mozilla. They're not only the main developers of the only major competing browser engine, but also do a lot of other good work. You can hope for others, but with Firefox only having single-digit usage share it needs all the help it can get.

[–] startlefrenzy@lemmy.world 84 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This. I see a lot of talk about Firefox forks on Lemmy but at the end of the day we need Mozilla to to survive for other Firefox and their forks to continue

[–] Engywuck@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

You can’t legally donate to Firefox, as it is developed by a Corp (Mozilla Corp.). Donations go to Mozilla Foundation, which does… other things with you money. In other words, your money don’t go towards FF development.

So, if you donate thinking that your money helps Firefox development, you're doing it wrong.

[–] watson387@sopuli.xyz 36 points 1 year ago

To be fair, there are about 20 versions of Firefox too. It’s just that most of them aren’t there to Hoover up ad revenue.

[–] featured@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I completely agree, but don’t forget that WebKit exists too on Mac and Linux with about the same market share as Firefox (at least based on w3school’s stats). Chrome/Blink dominate but all hope is not lost and there are more options, they’re just small. I think focusing on embracing Firefox/Gecko as it has so much momentum and community already is the most productive way forward though

[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only reason WebKit has any market share left is because iOS/iPadOS forces it on their users even if you try to use other browser

[–] kzhe@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Nope. I've used GNOME web before, and others as well.

[–] pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] chumbaz@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They don’t even have builds. How can we support tools the bulk of users can’t easily implement or recommend non technical people to try?

[–] tahoe@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Definitely, oftentimes open source projects don’t make it easy for themselves

[–] pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can support by joining the project and helping them to fix issues. It's a young project, but they've been progressing really fast. Andreas Kling is one of the original developers of Safari, and in the past years he's been creating his own operating system (Serenity OS) and formed a team who've been doing their own JavaScript engine, web browser and a programming language together with the OS. It's a really fascinating story and I give all the respect for them for doing this. This is the work we have to do if we want to beat Google from taking the internet. It's us who need to step up and start fixing the internet.

https://awesomekling.github.io/Ladybird-a-new-cross-platform-browser-project/

https://serenityos.org/

[–] chumbaz@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t disagree with you on alternatives but again it’s challenging for the technical folks amongst our peer groups to help adoption of an alternative if we can’t provide places for the folks we support to download the alternative and try it

There’s no way for any of my family or friends to understand how to build their own browser, let alone setup a WSL2 environment to make it work. Their eyes are going to glaze over at the thought then they’re going to go download something else.

[–] pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io 0 points 1 year ago

That time is not yet. Give it a few years and if you're willing, join the project to help. There is movement, it's just about how can we help.

[–] neo@lemmy.comfysnug.space 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Google basically made it so that it takes a large company to compete with all the """web features""" that they have, so good luck with that.

[–] nintendiator@feddit.cl 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

True, what we truly need and have the force to get behind with is an Alternate Internet, an Alternet of sorts. Something like Gopher, or Gemini.

[–] neo@lemmy.comfysnug.space 1 points 1 year ago

I like what gemini is trying to accomplish but I think we need something closer to what the web WAS.

[–] odbol@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Nah that's more of a spoiler vote. You need one large competitor to Chrime, not a bunch of small ones that can get wiped out

[–] Salix@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Idk about on Windows & macOS, but there are a lot of other options not based on Gecko (Firefox) or Blink (Chromium). Downside is that they don't have as many features or plugin support.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications#Web_browsers