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[–] woop_woop@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Isn't that part of the point? If the populace suffers, government changes are more likely

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

When has that actually worked?

[–] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You're suggesting that the end of Apartheid was caused solely by the US sanctions causing a popular revolt in South africa?

[–] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

I did not mention it was solely due to sanctions. But I do think it played a role.

[–] woop_woop@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Arguably any revolution comes from a critical mass of the population being unhappy..

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world -5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It’s still inhumane. It’s fine to starve people out via sanctions but not via bombings? There’s a reason people like Sanders continue to oppose sanctions

[–] EchoCT@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's the inhumane condition you care about? Not the 34000 dead? Murdering journalists, doctors, food workers? None of that?

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sanctions don’t stop that. So you have a genocide and a starving populace in a second country. JFC when did Lemmy turn into a bunch of neolibs?

[–] beardown@lemm.ee -3 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Neoliberals love sanctions. Leftists typically oppose suffering.

[–] beardown@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Israel is a democracy, or so we have been told.

Which means sanctions would motivate the voters to elect a new government that opposes genocide. Which is the result we want.

Therefore, sanctions are justified because they would stop Israel's genocide of Gaza by forcing Israeli voters to face the consequence of voting for genocidal fascists

[–] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Why is everyone speaking in hypotheticals/theory? Sanctions have been used in the past. Has it achieved the desired result? If we don't know, maybe start with that

[–] woop_woop@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Which would be better to you? You're a civilian somewhere - do you prefer to watch your livelyhood slowly being destroyed by your government or do you want a boom?

I'd assume the former gives you a chance to recognize it and do something, the latter is just boom.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

False dichotomy. Sanctions don’t stop genocidal maniacs. They just ADD suffering to the world. Would I rather have 1 million people suffer or 2 million? I know the answer!