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[–] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Well in a 2 state solution, you'd expect the Palestinians to be able to choose.

Unless we don't want a 2 state solution.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Right. But wouldn't they need a Palestine state before being eligible to join the UN? With unified leadership to represent them?

Seems like a prerequisite.

[–] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

139 countries recognize Palestine as a state. Officially, they're a non member observer state.

[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Which of their two "governments" is being represented though?

[–] livus@mander.xyz 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's putting the cart before the horse. You can't say "you have to have conducted a general election before you become a nation state."

That would be like telling a slave they can't become a free person unless they've already got a job that pays them direct wages.

[–] Copernican@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's not accurate. A UN recognition of nation state is not a pre requisite for self governance. FIFA recognizes more nations than the UN. If Taiwan can't be recognized by the UN I don't think there's reasonable expectation for Palestine.

[–] livus@mander.xyz 3 points 7 months ago

A UN recognition of nation state is not a pre requisite for self governance.

I'm not saying it is a prerequisite. Historically being free was not a prerequisite for being paid some kind of wage at times either, for that matter.

Historically, many former colonial nations gained their independence before being able to hold free and fair elections. Kenya for example, or South Africa.

Palestine is in a similar state at present.

[–] Ooops@kbin.social -5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Unless we don’t want a 2 state solution.

More importantly Isreal as well as the PA reject the idea of a 2 state solution.

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

Besides that being false (well, at least for the PA), nobody should care what Israel has to say on the matter. Anyone committing genocide loses their right to an opinion on the matter.